Neil Young Vs Rolling Stones

how can anybody who likes voices hate Joan Baez's voice

says the guy who hates Fogerty's voice

lol

i'm kinda tantalized by Mick as a feminist actually

by the idea of Mick as a feminist I should say

you meant it the first way

i thought about bringing up the willis test (or as i like to call it, the "nookie" test, in honor of the ladies at limp bizkit concerts who holler along in identification with fred and his regret over the nookie) but honestly mick is such an obvious pig that i don't feel like defending him when one of his mid-60s "haha, i am over yew" songs is thrown under the bus.

"Under My Bus"

Have You Seen My Song, Baby, Thrown Under the Bus

Under the Gold Bus.

sorry if that imagery was cliche, guys, but i'm not here to make friends

I don't think that willis test really works.

http://www.wonkavisionmagazine.com/images/web_zine_images/webzine8_images/bruno.jpg

yeah i'm not wholeheartedly endorsing it, it just feels worth bringing up when "Under My Thumb" is singled out, especially in the context of the Stones' catalog when there are much more inarguably problematic songs (xpost)

I don't think that willis test really works.

admittedly when she brought up cat stevens' "Wild world" as something that would never exist in a gender inverse, she couldn't have foreseen concrete blonde's "joey"

or the Killers' "Somebody Told Me."

bill that's such an infantile stance it's like...v. heavy infant mentality there man

you're actually surprised?

willis is probably OTM, or maybe i just want her to be because i love 'under my thumb' so much.

Maybe you'd prefer i said this instead:

Di Meola's intrigue with complex rhythmic syncopation, combined with provocative lyrical melodies always incorporate sophisticated harmony at the root of these serious but heartfelt works is central and foremost.

say it but with a backbeat

and marimba

I don't see anything wrong with the bitter revenge fantasy, but I don't think there's a history of men being expected to speak only when spoken to, and I'm having trouble imagining a woman describing a man as a siamese cat. On the other hand, I can totally imagine a song like Wild World with "a woman sadly warning her ex-lover that he's too innocent for the big bad world out there." I don't get why she thinks that's unlikely.

i'm not gonna second guess something she wrote 8 years before i was born

knee-jerk "political correctness" is fucking stifling.

― nicky lo-fi, Friday, September 28, 2012 9:19 AM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Lol @

Like honestly using the term ”political correctness” in earnest automatically invalidates anything you say

at least he stopped short of "political correctness run amok"

If not for political correctness run amok the stones might have been able to write that fm classic rock radio staple about slaves being raped they always dreamed of....

I think they're recording something like that for the end credits on the new Tarantino movie.

Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.

love both of em to death--and probably like sticky fingers more than any individual neil young album--but man neil in particular really appeals to me, maybe because i'm ultimately a headphones kinda dude

Like honestly using the terms like "misogynist" without giving examples is self-righteous and pointless. I get it already some people on the internet are just way better human beings than most...

Neil Young of course, who d'ya think I am? Stoopid?

Like honestly using the terms like "misogynist" without giving examples is self-righteous and pointless. I get it already some people on the internet are just way better human beings than most...

― nicky lo-fi, Monday, October 1, 2012 6:20 AM (4 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

the stones are assholes and treated women like shit, i think they are great but denying that seems stupid. brian was such an asshole! read about him! he was mean to women and treated them like shit!

s. I get it already some people on the internet are just way better human beings than most...

― nicky lo-fi, Monday, October 1, 2012 6:20 AM (4 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

where did i say i was better than anyone?

i'm not better than anyone

the stones are a great band but they weren't good ppl

i hope that isnt an elliptical confession that you treat women like shit m@tt! xp

I just thought it was interesting question--is Under My Thumb more or less sexist/misogynistic than the more sugary ballads of the era that constantly make no bones about infantilizing the desired female Other or making bald assertion of desire to ownership--but it sounds like Ellen Willis already posed and answered that question...

i hope that isnt an elliptical confession that you treat women like shit m@tt! xp

― alpha flighticles (Drugs A. Money), Monday, October 1, 2012 11:12 AM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

haha oops i would hope not!

if i'm not a more chill bro & gentlemen then brian jones i'm in real trouble.

lol i was just kidding around anyways

no i knew

i mean i *get* what you're saying but it's hard to separate some of the stones songs from everything i've ever read about them as ppl

that said..."under my thumb" is just a stunning song, reprehensible sentiment or not...the marimba line....i've kinda come around on brian in a big way as a musician and his era of the band, i don't necessarily think they are hands-down "better" after him like i used to think

We should do Young vs Dylan after this so I can make it up to Neil for voting for Mick'n'Keith

it's hard to separate some of the stones songs from everything i've ever read about them as ppl

^watts always seemed like a decent guy.lost some respect for richards after the anecdote in his book where he went after a guy with a knife for stealing his chili recipe or something like that.

Wyman's philandering is the stuff of legend.

lol at watts' chili recipe. the end of richards' bio where he starts rattling off his recipes is kind of an amazing surreal thing.

where did i say i was better than anyone?

i'm not better than anyone

― farte blanche (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, October 1, 2012 4:06 PM

if i'm not a more chill bro & gentlemen then brian jones i'm in real trouble.

― farte blanche (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, October 1, 2012 4:18 PM

lol. I didn't mean to direct my previous comment about being self-righteous at you, but I do think those two quotes (6 minutes apart) are funny in some way.

I'm just saying I would like to see examples or more of an explanation when people call stuff misogynist, or call people "bad" or "assholes."

To me "under my thumb" is about the changing dynamics of a relationship. It could just as well be sung by a lesbian, singing about her lover.
I don't see the hated of women in the song.

i can't believe people are still talking about this when there are so many other things to talk about
neil young's breakfast is more interesting/innaresting than having the same conversation about under my thumb for the 400th time

is there a place you can go where you order "Neil Young Special" and they give you some fried eggs and country ham? there should be.

neil young's breakfast is more interesting/innaresting than having the same conversation about under my thumb for the 400th time

too bad the same can't be said for his music.

damnnnnn

Shit sandwich

"nice zing"

"too bad the same can't be said for stale punchlines"