Neil Young Vs Rolling Stones

mick jagger most likely wishes he was a woman. did you catch his uber macho role in Performance?

knee-jerk "political correctness" is fucking stifling.

I don't have a problem with those themes Bill but I reserve the right to object when those themes are dealt with in an unappealing way. some songs about rape/murder are better than other songs about rape/murder.

― stop swearing and start windmilling (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, September 27, 2012 11:24 AM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Hey, can you burn me some Four Freshman cd's? I'll take some Joan Baez while your at it.

bill that's such an infantile stance it's like...v. heavy infant mentality there man

hahahahah, thanks for your advice, Dad. this is great advice on a message board where adults are actually voting on who is better, neil young v. rolling stones. the paragon of mature discourse.

son I'm just concerned - your mother and I had high hopes for you - you like some cool tunes - but you keep rocking this "you didn't like something maybe kinda ugly WELL ENJOY YOUR PERRY COMO RECORDS" thing that you've been doing since you were a baby - we just worry, son, we worry

I tried singing "Magic Moments" to my daughter last night and she punched me in the face.

I did the Jagger moves from "Start Me Up" in front of my niece and she kicked me in the balls.

If you did "Moves Like jagger" she would have been ecstatic.

she does like "Marry The Night."

i talked about this on the Stones poll thread a few months ago but Ellen Willis makes a good case for why "Under My Thumb" is not sexist, or at least not as bad as a lot of other Stones songs:

http://jezebel.com/5797747/the-willis-test-is-the-new-bechdel-test

I am fairly certain Joan Baez has some dope songs about rape/murder (she must have done Silver Dagger at some point, right?) but I hate her voice, so

xp

the Stones (Jagger!) are evil sons of bitches, everybody knows that. just like everybody knows they are the biggest fucking band ever. Play With Fire, Under My Thumb, Street Fighting Man, Let It Bleed, Brown Sugar... morally disagreeable songs are what made them who they are. deal with it

how can anybody who likes voices hate Joan Baez's voice

says the guy who hates Fogerty's voice

lol

i'm kinda tantalized by Mick as a feminist actually

by the idea of Mick as a feminist I should say

you meant it the first way

i thought about bringing up the willis test (or as i like to call it, the "nookie" test, in honor of the ladies at limp bizkit concerts who holler along in identification with fred and his regret over the nookie) but honestly mick is such an obvious pig that i don't feel like defending him when one of his mid-60s "haha, i am over yew" songs is thrown under the bus.

"Under My Bus"

Have You Seen My Song, Baby, Thrown Under the Bus

Under the Gold Bus.

sorry if that imagery was cliche, guys, but i'm not here to make friends

I don't think that willis test really works.

http://www.wonkavisionmagazine.com/images/web_zine_images/webzine8_images/bruno.jpg

yeah i'm not wholeheartedly endorsing it, it just feels worth bringing up when "Under My Thumb" is singled out, especially in the context of the Stones' catalog when there are much more inarguably problematic songs (xpost)

I don't think that willis test really works.

admittedly when she brought up cat stevens' "Wild world" as something that would never exist in a gender inverse, she couldn't have foreseen concrete blonde's "joey"

or the Killers' "Somebody Told Me."

bill that's such an infantile stance it's like...v. heavy infant mentality there man

you're actually surprised?

willis is probably OTM, or maybe i just want her to be because i love 'under my thumb' so much.

Maybe you'd prefer i said this instead:

Di Meola's intrigue with complex rhythmic syncopation, combined with provocative lyrical melodies always incorporate sophisticated harmony at the root of these serious but heartfelt works is central and foremost.

say it but with a backbeat

and marimba

I don't see anything wrong with the bitter revenge fantasy, but I don't think there's a history of men being expected to speak only when spoken to, and I'm having trouble imagining a woman describing a man as a siamese cat. On the other hand, I can totally imagine a song like Wild World with "a woman sadly warning her ex-lover that he's too innocent for the big bad world out there." I don't get why she thinks that's unlikely.

i'm not gonna second guess something she wrote 8 years before i was born

knee-jerk "political correctness" is fucking stifling.

― nicky lo-fi, Friday, September 28, 2012 9:19 AM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Lol @

Like honestly using the term ”political correctness” in earnest automatically invalidates anything you say

at least he stopped short of "political correctness run amok"

If not for political correctness run amok the stones might have been able to write that fm classic rock radio staple about slaves being raped they always dreamed of....

I think they're recording something like that for the end credits on the new Tarantino movie.

Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.

love both of em to death--and probably like sticky fingers more than any individual neil young album--but man neil in particular really appeals to me, maybe because i'm ultimately a headphones kinda dude

Like honestly using the terms like "misogynist" without giving examples is self-righteous and pointless. I get it already some people on the internet are just way better human beings than most...

Neil Young of course, who d'ya think I am? Stoopid?

Like honestly using the terms like "misogynist" without giving examples is self-righteous and pointless. I get it already some people on the internet are just way better human beings than most...

― nicky lo-fi, Monday, October 1, 2012 6:20 AM (4 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

the stones are assholes and treated women like shit, i think they are great but denying that seems stupid. brian was such an asshole! read about him! he was mean to women and treated them like shit!

s. I get it already some people on the internet are just way better human beings than most...

― nicky lo-fi, Monday, October 1, 2012 6:20 AM (4 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

where did i say i was better than anyone?

i'm not better than anyone

the stones are a great band but they weren't good ppl

i hope that isnt an elliptical confession that you treat women like shit m@tt! xp

I just thought it was interesting question--is Under My Thumb more or less sexist/misogynistic than the more sugary ballads of the era that constantly make no bones about infantilizing the desired female Other or making bald assertion of desire to ownership--but it sounds like Ellen Willis already posed and answered that question...

i hope that isnt an elliptical confession that you treat women like shit m@tt! xp

― alpha flighticles (Drugs A. Money), Monday, October 1, 2012 11:12 AM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

haha oops i would hope not!

if i'm not a more chill bro & gentlemen then brian jones i'm in real trouble.

lol i was just kidding around anyways

no i knew

i mean i *get* what you're saying but it's hard to separate some of the stones songs from everything i've ever read about them as ppl

that said..."under my thumb" is just a stunning song, reprehensible sentiment or not...the marimba line....i've kinda come around on brian in a big way as a musician and his era of the band, i don't necessarily think they are hands-down "better" after him like i used to think