Neil Young Vs Rolling Stones

Stupid Girl is mean-spirited but it isn't anywhere close to the cruelty of Under My Thumb or Midnight Rambler.

^all three are awesome songs, what's the bitching about

And what part of "Albuquerque" makes you sad? When our hero whips up some fried eggs and ham, or when he rents a car?

Neil's never played the rapist/murderer angle
he did shoot his baby down by the river tho

― tylerw, Wednesday, September 26, 2012 4:58 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

zing

Welfare Mothers is a seriously gut-wrenching and emotional jam.

you've never made fried eggs and country ham in the middle of the night stoned out of our gourd on honey sliders?

White Castle Honey Sliders

would consume

Stupid Girl is mean-spirited but it isn't anywhere close to the cruelty of Under My Thumb or Midnight Rambler.

^all three are awesome songs, what's the bitching about

i know right, imagine anyone objecting to glamorizing rape or a guy boasting about how he's got his girlfriend cowed or...a song called 'stupid girl,' about how stupid some girl is.

sante fe is less than 90 miles away but it sounds like forever

^all three are awesome songs, what's the bitching about

nice word choice btw

surprised that anyone who loves Joni and guitar playing would hate on Neil

lol Neil's got some nice moves but as a guitarist he is not in Joni's class

And what part of "Albuquerque" makes you sad? When our hero whips up some fried eggs and ham, or when he rents a car?

think Albuquerque is about being completely alienated from p. much everything in your life and wishing you were someone else, which is pretty crushing. though when I saw NY & he sang the line about rolling a number a bunch of old hippies cheered and that was more depressing than the song because anybody who can't see that the narrator of "Albuquerque" is not rolling a number for the good times really doesn't belong at the show

I'm quite sure they're cheering the time they got high with a friend listening to "Albuquerque," rather than the narrator of the song. In any event, surely people can interpret songs and cheer however they want.

Tonight's The Night is all about how the singing takes its cue from the playing.

hippies cheer like THIS

In any event, surely people can interpret songs and cheer however they want.

this position on lyrics belongs in high school imo, if people from Ohio clap when Neil Young sings "four dead in Ohio" then they are dumbfucks

lol Neil's got some nice moves but as a guitarist he is not in Joni's class

I love both but man this opinion strikes me as really odd. Nonetheless I wasn't even meaning to conflate their guitar playing, I was bringing up Joni and guitar playing as distinct qualities. Neil obviously shares some DNA with folk-period Joni, there's common ground there. Neil's guitar playing is very different from Joni's tho, he does totally different things. I guess they both like some of the same open tunings but that's about it.

Of course I'd agree with that--are the two examples really comparable? (xpost)

they're Segretti aides iirc

xp @ clemenza - well, one is the extreme iteration of the other imo. nb I am a complete fascist about this, ignore me

Actually, let me amend that. If a bunch of people, old hippies or otherwise, cheered "four dead in Ohio," I would assume they'd be cheering dozens of possible reasons (solidarity with the song's disgust with Nixon, etc.) other than cheering the fact that four people were killed by the National Guard--that wouldn't make any sense.

Anyway, I know we view lyrics differently.

when ppl cheer at songs in concerts it almost always means either 'hey i know this one', 'hey this song mentions drugs', or 'hey this song mentions the place i'm from' right? i mean when ppl cheer u2 playing 'pride' i don't think they're pro-shot ringing out in the memphis sky. would like to see dallas audience reaction to 'we didn't start the fire' though.

In the Rush documentary, there's live footage of them playing "Red Sector A," where a flash of light elicits a huge cheer from the audience. The song is about the Holocaust.

i know right, imagine anyone objecting to glamorizing rape or a guy boasting about how he's got his girlfriend cowed or...a song called 'stupid girl,' about how stupid some girl is.

― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Wednesday, September 26, 2012 6:07 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

If you object (or bitch) about uncomfortable themes in music, go listen to Pat Boone or Mitch Miller. And get off a Neil Young/Rolling Stones thread cuz you will probably be appalled. And for shit's sake, dont go listen to rap, or your Victorian sensibilities will really be shattered.

Slight derail: is 'Stupid Girl' the only song title NY and the Stones share?

well, the Stones have "Indian Girl" and Young his Native American trilogy.

I don't have a problem with those themes Bill but I reserve the right to object when those themes are dealt with in an unappealing way. some songs about rape/murder are better than other songs about rape/murder.

some songs about rape/murder give me money, some songs about rape/murder buy me clothes

nothing against neil, but I would guess the ratio of stones songs played to neil young songs played at social gatherings I have attended over the last 25 years would something like 500 to 1.

neil isn't much for social gatherings. his songs go over better than the stones' in the hovels of cantankerous loners.

well, except for mine

xposts Neil also "Borrowed" the tune of "Lady Jane" for..."Piece of Crap".

for the record 'under my thumb' is one of my top 5 stones tracks easy but i'm not deluded enough to not realize that it's pretty misogynistic and that a depressingly high number of stones songs express similarly vile sentiments.

also fwiw i'd rather listen to mitch miller than neil young, any fuckin' day.

??? Mick Jagger was a feminist ahead of his time. He is simply stating that women can be huge assholes just like men. None of this sugar and spice crap. "Under My Thumb" is about payback.

sure pal

how soon we forget jagger's feminist manifesto "she's the boss"

UMT is clearly misogynistic but I read it as a bitter revenge fantasy, emphasis on fantasy. Nothing has changed, she still pushes him around, he's just daydreaming or deluding himself.

yeah i'm sure mick wasn't in any position of power in his relationships w/women when he wrote that song

Slight derail: is 'Stupid Girl' the only song title NY and the Stones share?

"Round and Round", but Chuck Berry wrote it so maybe it doesn't count?

xp you misunderstand me. I don't believe that Jagger intended it that way, I just choose to read that into it because it amuses me.

ah gotcha

I guess I generally tend to think that when somebody is boasting that much they're full of shit and the opposite is actually true.

mick jagger most likely wishes he was a woman. did you catch his uber macho role in Performance?

knee-jerk "political correctness" is fucking stifling.

I don't have a problem with those themes Bill but I reserve the right to object when those themes are dealt with in an unappealing way. some songs about rape/murder are better than other songs about rape/murder.

― stop swearing and start windmilling (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, September 27, 2012 11:24 AM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Hey, can you burn me some Four Freshman cd's? I'll take some Joan Baez while your at it.

bill that's such an infantile stance it's like...v. heavy infant mentality there man

hahahahah, thanks for your advice, Dad. this is great advice on a message board where adults are actually voting on who is better, neil young v. rolling stones. the paragon of mature discourse.

son I'm just concerned - your mother and I had high hopes for you - you like some cool tunes - but you keep rocking this "you didn't like something maybe kinda ugly WELL ENJOY YOUR PERRY COMO RECORDS" thing that you've been doing since you were a baby - we just worry, son, we worry

I tried singing "Magic Moments" to my daughter last night and she punched me in the face.

I did the Jagger moves from "Start Me Up" in front of my niece and she kicked me in the balls.

If you did "Moves Like jagger" she would have been ecstatic.

she does like "Marry The Night."

i talked about this on the Stones poll thread a few months ago but Ellen Willis makes a good case for why "Under My Thumb" is not sexist, or at least not as bad as a lot of other Stones songs:

http://jezebel.com/5797747/the-willis-test-is-the-new-bechdel-test