Neil Young Vs Rolling Stones

both have resorted to stupid girl baiting many times.

Neil's never played the rapist/murderer angle. Stupid Girl is mean-spirited but it isn't anywhere close to the cruelty of Under My Thumb or Midnight Rambler.

this song ALWAYS makes me cry thinking of the LOST WEEKENDS that I dont remember.
1NewOrleansMan 1 week ago in playlist ROLLING STONES 3

btw I'm literally right at the foot of Laurel Canyon right now and the tagline from Revolution Blues just kicked in, fuck yes

I don't find "Under My Thumb" cruel at all.

I don't really buy into him emotionally generally, he's a pretty heavy aesthete in my book

^^^this

I can't say any RS song has ever really resonated with me emotionally. My favorite lyrical Stones bit is "Dead Flowers", which I like to think as young Mick addressing his older self - that my fave moment of theirs works best as a meta-in-joke is emblematic of this, I think.

Plenty of songs in the OTB/TFA period are as scary-apocalyptic as "Gimme Shelter," though -- and without Merry Clayton

Neil's never played the rapist/murderer angle
he did shoot his baby down by the river tho

see "Dead Flowers" is an excellent example of a song that starts as a joke and ends as something moving and sweet. Maybe it's Keith's cracked harmonies and Taylor's solo.

ah shit how could I forget that!!! okay I retract the murderer bit

xp

He killed a dog in "Revolution Blues" too.

eh who cares about dogs

claimed to be the ocean, which has drowned like millions of people

aero i did not mean to suggest "out of tears" made you cry i meant to suggest you were, as the song says, "out of tears"

mittens mo collier!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7d4cDMiUarA

Cortez THE KILLER

"he" /= "I"

i'm pretty sure 'you got the silver' has made me cry at some point, probably wouldn't now though.

The more I think about it, I would take just the intros of the Stone's greatest songs on an endless loop over Neil Young's entire catalog.

young's voice is like nails on a chalkboard for me. i can sit through 'live rust' and enjoy most of it but that's about it.

refuse to vote

let's be fair, literally anything I listen to right now is going to make me cry

Thought about posting the youtube of "Please Don't Go Topless Mother" to test this out but I am a sober and respectful ilxor

voting Neil btw

I used to be a pretty big Neil Young hater but I was converted by Tonight's the Night

I was prominent in the Neil Young hater community

Steven Tyler was in the Manson family?!

Walk On This Way

surprised that anyone who loves Joni and guitar playing would hate on Neil

kinda shocked to hear steven tyler say he's more interested in songs that make him wanna cry than songs that make him wanna dance.

he's older now and he's a clever swine

Stupid Girl is mean-spirited but it isn't anywhere close to the cruelty of Under My Thumb or Midnight Rambler.

^all three are awesome songs, what's the bitching about

And what part of "Albuquerque" makes you sad? When our hero whips up some fried eggs and ham, or when he rents a car?

Neil's never played the rapist/murderer angle
he did shoot his baby down by the river tho

― tylerw, Wednesday, September 26, 2012 4:58 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

zing

Welfare Mothers is a seriously gut-wrenching and emotional jam.

you've never made fried eggs and country ham in the middle of the night stoned out of our gourd on honey sliders?

White Castle Honey Sliders

would consume

Stupid Girl is mean-spirited but it isn't anywhere close to the cruelty of Under My Thumb or Midnight Rambler.

^all three are awesome songs, what's the bitching about

i know right, imagine anyone objecting to glamorizing rape or a guy boasting about how he's got his girlfriend cowed or...a song called 'stupid girl,' about how stupid some girl is.

sante fe is less than 90 miles away but it sounds like forever

^all three are awesome songs, what's the bitching about

nice word choice btw

surprised that anyone who loves Joni and guitar playing would hate on Neil

lol Neil's got some nice moves but as a guitarist he is not in Joni's class

And what part of "Albuquerque" makes you sad? When our hero whips up some fried eggs and ham, or when he rents a car?

think Albuquerque is about being completely alienated from p. much everything in your life and wishing you were someone else, which is pretty crushing. though when I saw NY & he sang the line about rolling a number a bunch of old hippies cheered and that was more depressing than the song because anybody who can't see that the narrator of "Albuquerque" is not rolling a number for the good times really doesn't belong at the show

I'm quite sure they're cheering the time they got high with a friend listening to "Albuquerque," rather than the narrator of the song. In any event, surely people can interpret songs and cheer however they want.

Tonight's The Night is all about how the singing takes its cue from the playing.

hippies cheer like THIS

In any event, surely people can interpret songs and cheer however they want.

this position on lyrics belongs in high school imo, if people from Ohio clap when Neil Young sings "four dead in Ohio" then they are dumbfucks

lol Neil's got some nice moves but as a guitarist he is not in Joni's class

I love both but man this opinion strikes me as really odd. Nonetheless I wasn't even meaning to conflate their guitar playing, I was bringing up Joni and guitar playing as distinct qualities. Neil obviously shares some DNA with folk-period Joni, there's common ground there. Neil's guitar playing is very different from Joni's tho, he does totally different things. I guess they both like some of the same open tunings but that's about it.

Of course I'd agree with that--are the two examples really comparable? (xpost)

they're Segretti aides iirc

xp @ clemenza - well, one is the extreme iteration of the other imo. nb I am a complete fascist about this, ignore me

Actually, let me amend that. If a bunch of people, old hippies or otherwise, cheered "four dead in Ohio," I would assume they'd be cheering dozens of possible reasons (solidarity with the song's disgust with Nixon, etc.) other than cheering the fact that four people were killed by the National Guard--that wouldn't make any sense.

Anyway, I know we view lyrics differently.

when ppl cheer at songs in concerts it almost always means either 'hey i know this one', 'hey this song mentions drugs', or 'hey this song mentions the place i'm from' right? i mean when ppl cheer u2 playing 'pride' i don't think they're pro-shot ringing out in the memphis sky. would like to see dallas audience reaction to 'we didn't start the fire' though.

In the Rush documentary, there's live footage of them playing "Red Sector A," where a flash of light elicits a huge cheer from the audience. The song is about the Holocaust.

i know right, imagine anyone objecting to glamorizing rape or a guy boasting about how he's got his girlfriend cowed or...a song called 'stupid girl,' about how stupid some girl is.

― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Wednesday, September 26, 2012 6:07 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

If you object (or bitch) about uncomfortable themes in music, go listen to Pat Boone or Mitch Miller. And get off a Neil Young/Rolling Stones thread cuz you will probably be appalled. And for shit's sake, dont go listen to rap, or your Victorian sensibilities will really be shattered.