The ILM 1980s Anti-Rolling Stone Canon (FREE PUSSY RIOT) Rock Poll Results - Tracks! Final top 10 results happening right now.

dinosaur jr impact on american underground precedes the pixies and tbh was pretty much absorbed by the time the pixies put out an album. dinosaur jr quiet-loud works differently than pixies also - pixies quiet-loud is the 'smells like teen spirit' template that ends up ruling 90s rock radio, dinosaur jr quiet-loud could almost more contained-fucked up (ie it's never really 'quiet' like 'gigantic' is) definite impact on sonic youth at the time and directly or indirectly on mbv (though there's enough differences that i can see ppl not buying it - asleep vs dreaming, frampton vs cocteau twins maybe), also alot of pixies quiet-loud is really albini quiet-loud, to the extent you hear the pixies in 90s amerindie i'd argue you're hearing albini, whereas dinosaur jr all over 90s amerindie beyond quiet-loud dynamic even. fwiw i love both bands, have definitely listened to more pixies (i was 13 when surfer rosa came out, there were boobs on the cover), probably more likely to listen to dinosaur jr in the future.

also obv dinosaur jr-mbv connection i'm missing: they toured together! athens show ppl still talk about twenty some odd years and i missed it (tbf i was in high school and underage and o god fuckit i have no excuse i will regret this til the day i die). interesting guitarworld story on mascis and shields: http://www.mybloodyvalentine.net/press/guitarworld-apr93.html. for those that don't read it, an excerpt:In the other corner we have Kevin Shields: guitarist, singer, songwriter and overall mastermind of My Bloody Valentine. An Irishman by birth, Kevin has also lived in New York, Berlin and now London. Quiet and trippily introspective, he answers the general description of what's called a "shoe-gazer" in the UK. And he is positively obsessed with guitar sounds--the kind of person who could easily spend an entire day making minor adjustments to the angle of two Vox AC30's pointed at one another and miked from nine different sides. All of which helps explain why My Bloody Valentine's breakthrough album, Loveless, is a brilliant collection of warped, other-worldly guitar tones and mind-bending pop hooks. As soon as it appeared in 1991, the record was universally acclaimed as a masterpiece of the new Nineties guitar rock. The trouble is it took an awful lot of time and money to record. It's rumored that this is why the Valentines were dropped by their English label, Creation. Not to worry, though: Shields and his group recently found a new English home on Island Records. (They'll continue on Warner Brothers in the States.) Kev is in the process of building his own studio, where he will record the band's much-anticipated follow up to Loveless. He promises this one'll be done much more quickly.

So looks like about 32 songs in the top 40 will be non-Sonic Youth. isnt that somethin

yeah, albini made the pixies heavier than they actually were on surfer rosa, and those dynamics had to be well-known to them anyway, they lived in the same state as dinosaur for cripes sake. a buddy who saw some early dinosaur shows described them as "jangle-jangle-jangle (steps on imaginary distortion pedal) SKREEEEOOOOOOOOOOHONGKKKKKRRRRRRR (turns off imaginary distortion pedal) jangle-jangle-jangle", and anybody doing that trick in '87, self included, was pretty aware of where it came from, as aware as if you had just stuck a screwdriver in your guitar.

You guys know orig name for Teen Age Riot was J Mascis for President, rightv

and I swear my final point here - I wasn't spotting dinosaur's influence everywhere because of a great love - as noted above I didn't even like you're living all over me when it came out! and the dinosaur influence was the least interesting part of MBV's sound! and SY's fascination with dinosaur pretty much ruined them as a band! it was some pernicious language-is-a-virus pandora's box that dinosaur opened, but they opened it so credit where credit is due.

alright fine i am listening through the sonic youth tracks on spotify now since u dudes seem so into it all

is stereo sanctity the first one that placed or did i miss some stuff

I'm actually not that interested in YLAOM either, aside from "In a Jar" which is awesome, and totally another track I wish I'd nom'd, and what I would recommend to DJP if he wants to hear Barlow playing bass...

xp ha yeah, I liked Stereo Sanctity a lot more when they sped it up and let Kim go hammer all over it and called it Orange Rolls Anmgels Spit

ok so that didnt help or change anything. i think the problem is that i can kind of sort of see them being sort of innocuously ok wrt the instrumental side (although kind of boring?) but holy shit man i can not stand the vocals, i hate everything about them across the board. like in a way where i will sorta ease up on my cranky old man routine because i am willing to admit that i cant give this band a fair shot at all because as soon as somebody starts singing i skip the song. although death to our friends seems to be instrumental and i hated that too. eh.

segued into rocking in the free world which is actually much worse because the vocals and instrumentation and song are all equally dreadful so hey sonic youth gets one leg up from me sorta

a bunch of crappy SY tracks got nommed tbh, listen to "halloween" or "making the nature scene" instead

hah ok as a dude that reached the whopping age of 16 in the 80s my cranky old man metaphor is prob kind of far off i suppose

xpost ok i will do that. i think i like death valley 69 iirc! just not this stuff maybe

ok halloween is better? i can hear some art bears stuff in here, which is what i kept waiting for but never came in the other stuff i listened to - not totally sold but yeah this is way easier to listen to. maybe i have a singing thurston moore problem?

i think id still rather listen to the art bears or sleepytime gorilla museum but still this is way better

I think "Schizophrenia" is the best thing they ever did. It has singing on it though. If you like "Death Valley '69" though, hmm, maybe "Brother James" is one to try??

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They're not really like the Art Bears or SGM though.

Weirdly, I don't remember "Halloween"!

you might like some screeching thurston vocals maybe? try "kill yr idols"

ps can't believe no one nommed "kill yr idols" wtf

Actually, I'm guessing that "Schizophrenia" might not be what you're looking for.

"Shaking Hell" maybe

"halloween" is one of my fave SY tracks, at their otherworldly best before they started trying to be dinosaur lol. I figured you P4K nerds would be all over that shit so I spent my time nomming stuff like drunks with guns and chain gang.

You're not calling me a P4K nerd, are you?:P

I need to pull out my BMR CD.

I wouldn't necessarily say that they ever had really great voices.

Oh, "Halloween"! I love this song, actually. I thought "Flower" was this song tbh. "Flower" was the one that goes "USE THE POWER OF MAN! SUPPORT THE POWER OF WOMEN!" then? That's totally crappier.

jjj: You might like "Protect Me You" too?

well shit i am def not anyone that should be looking for great voices given my tastes but there is something ultra grating abt the thurston vox to me? like maybe i blame him for that whole lazy i dont give a fuck abt/cant be bothered singing thing in some ways xpost

ok kind of digging protect me you

Confusion Is Sex/Kill Yr Idols (1 CD) is probably closest to what you want.

Man E3 you're the one who got me to listen to Halloween and now its one of my favorites

jjj - try listening to Cross the Breeze which is my fave 80s SY track; its on Daydream Nation. Or maybe some 90s stuff like Dirty?

ok listening to kill yr idols and i am totally down with this vocal thing he is doing - is this more common on the early stuff? i could be down with this band when they arent doing the mumble into the microphone thing i think. yeah ok actually i really really dig this song, was it nommmed?

funny you would mention the 90s stuff because i have always had a weird soft spot for bull in the heather

NO IT WAS NOT NOMMED I'M NOT MAD ABOUT IT OR ANYTHING

listening to cross the breeze at the moment and this is pretty good, worried abt what might happen if vocals happen tho

whoops there they are. ehhhh

yeah, I couldn't imagine you not liking early SY stuff. just listen to confusion is sex/kill yr idols, iow sund4r otm.

thurston started trying to sing around bad moon rising, so avoid everything after that

man listen to "inhuman" and "the world looks red" stat

ok i like everything abt (ok 80% there are some jammy/noodly things that happen in the middle that dont work for me) cross the breeze OTHER than the vocals.

that friends is how not to construct a sentence btw

btw here's an awesome clip of SY doing "kill yr idols" in '85, they were something else back when they were something else

http://youtu.be/vK-nywzO7gE

man listen to "inhuman" and "the world looks red" stat

This goes for the rest of the planet, btw

i dont feel like thurston is trying to sing tho in what i have heard, its like he is actively disinterested in singing - like i get what you are saying wrt some more tonal stuff going on but man he sounds like he is affecting bored, which makes me way way more bored

ha inhuman scratches my helios creed itch. thats good btw!

I don't mind bored thurston but there is something to be said for being-boiled-in-oil thurston

if I get jjjusten to like SY I might just call it a night, this is a major achievement

It is kind of funny that a band that started out wanting to synthesize Throbbing Gristle and Black Flag went in a more slacker-ish pop-rock direction.

If all bands aspired for Confusion is Sex pummel and texture I swear our lives would be the better for it

world looks red has an ok shouty fIRE eNGINES thing going on - thats not right at all, but its the first thing that came to mind.

i would do a quid pro quo thing but the only thing i have to offer is for swans peeps that dont get the foetus deal to listen to the live album rife

which is holy crap available on spotify i guess?

album credits speak for themselves:

J. G. Thirlwell (as Clint Ruin) - vocals
Algis Kizys - Bass
Norman Westberg - Guitar
Ted Parsons - drums
Raymond Watts (as Ray Scaballero or Raymondo Watts) - Keyboards and guitar

or translated

foetus
swans
swans
swans
kmfdm (well and pig but we can ignore that)