The ILM 1980s Anti-Rolling Stone Canon (FREE PUSSY RIOT) Rock Poll Results - Tracks! Final top 10 results happening right now.

Ah, OK, I think we're actually on pretty much the same page, Hellhouse. I would personally tend not to oppose including funk, hip-hop, and some R&B (as well as plenty of country) as "rock", actually, considering how the term was originally used in the 60s. The Carducci approach to defining "rock" actually seems pretty rooted in a 70s conception of hard rock. This is not too far from how many people use the term now so fair do's.

didn't think the fall were going to make it. nice.

SY is my favorite band of all time but i don't really know where they fit in this poll or why they're here, didn't put much on my ballot

This surprises me. Why would they not fit in? They've probably played with or have some ties to 30% of the bands here. Sister and Daydream Nation especially are clearly hard rock albums imo. It's not like SY was some chamber ensemble.

― EveningStar (Sund4r), Tuesday, September 25, 2012 7:43 PM (20 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i guess i just wonder how much more they fit compared to so many amerindie bands that were willfully excluded

haha its ILM it was Never In Doubt
xp

well, after a decade i'm still trying to get the hang of this place.

how many sonic youth tracks were nominated?

All of them apparently

41 Neil Young - Rockin' in the Free World 705 Points, 13 Votes
http://youtu.be/lI8XVJiqHdc

And thats it for tonight. Will resume 12-1pm UK time tomorrow and continue til #1

Perhaps a kindly mod could change title to counting down top 40 finishes today ?

sund4r you can do the honours with the recap.

Albums rollout will start thursday but if we finish early tomorrow i might throw out a few after the discussions/ballots have been posted.
I dont know what stats seandalai has but hopefully has something.

250 The Replacements - God Damn Job - 170 Points , 3 votes
249 Jerry's Kidz - That's Life - 171 Points, 3 Votes
248 D.R.I. - I Don't Need Society 172 Points, 3 votes
247 Hanoi Rocks - Don't Never Leave Me - 173 Points, 4 votes
246 Pussy Galore - Sweet Little HiFi - 175 Points, 3 votes
245 Nitzer Ebb - Getting Closer 176 Points, 4 votes
243 8-Eyed Spy - Lazy in Love 177 Points, 4 votes (TIE)
243 Bon Jovi - Livin' on a Prayer 177 Points, 4 votes (TIE)
242 Lard - The Power of Lard 178 Points, 6 Votes
241 Dead Kennedys - Hellnation 179 Points, 3 Votes
240 Skid Row - Youth Gone Wild 183 Points, 4 Votes
239 Colourbox - Just Give 'Em Whiskey 184 Points, 3 Votes
238 F/i - Electric Waltz 185 Points, 4 Votes
237 Dead Kennedys - Stars and Stripes of Corruption 186 Points, 4 Votes
236 Revolting Cocks - Stainless Steel Providers 187 Points, 3 Votes
235 Descendents - Good Good Things 188 Points, 4 Votes
234 Rush - Freewill 189 Points 4 Votes
233 Adolescents - Amoeba 189 Points, 5 Votes
232 Iron Maiden - Hallowed Be Thy Name 192 Points, 3 Votes
230 Pixies - I've Been Tired 193 Points, 4 Votes. (TIE)
230 Swans - Right Wrong 193 Points, 4 Votes. (TIE)
229 Husker Du - Makes No Sense at All 195 Points, 5 Votes
228 Bad Brains - I Against I 196 Points 3 Votes
227 Dicks - Dicks Hate the Police - 198 Points, 4 Votes
225 The Clash - Should I Stay or Should I Go 198 Points, 5 Votes (TIE)
225 Rites of Spring - For Want of 198 Points, 5 Votes (TIE)
224 Dramarama - Anything, Anything 199 points, 3 Votes
223 AR Kane - Lollita 199 Points, 4 Votes, One #1
222 Blurt - The Fish Needs a Bike 200 Points, 2 Votes One #1
220 Cocteau Twins - Persephone 201 points, 3 Votes (TIE)
220 Minutemen - Cut 201 Points, 3 Votes (TIE)
219 Prince & the Revolution - Computer Blue 201 Points, 4 Votes
218 Scraping Foetus off the Wheel - Pigswill 202 Points, 4 Votes
217 Iron Maiden - Aces High 204 Points, 4 votes
216 X - The Hungry Wolf 205 Points, 4 Votes
215 Foetus Interruptus - English Faggot/Nothing Man 208 Points 4 Votes
214 KMFDM - Don't Blow Your Top 208 Points, 5 Votes
213 Guns N' Roses - It's So Easy 212 Points 3 Votes
212 Hanoi Rocks - Tragedy 214 Points, 4 Votes
211 Bauhaus - She's in Parties 215 Points, 4 Votes
210 Butthole Surfers - The Shah Sleeps In Lee Harvey's Grave 217 Points, 4 Votes
209 A Certain Ratio - Do the Du 218 Points, 5 Votes
208 Trouble - Assassin 219 Points, 3 Votes
207 Chrome - New Age 219 Points, 4 Votes
206 The Vandals - Urban Struggle 223 Points, 3 Votes
205 Run-DMC - Rock Box 225 Points, 4 Votes
204 The Psychedelic Furs - Mr Jones 227 Points, 4 Votes
203 Red Cross - Annette's Got the Hits 227 Points, 5 Votes
202 The Cult - Rain 228 Points, 4 votes
201 Bauhaus - Dark Entries 230 Points 6 Votes
200 Dinosaur Jr - The Lung 232 Points, 5 Votes
199 Metallica - Fade To Black 234 Points, 5 Votes
198 The Telescopes - 7th# Disaster 236 Points, 4 Votes
197 Gang of Four - I Love A Man In Uniform 236 Points, 5 Votes
196 Birthday Party - Blast Off! 237 Points, 3 Votes
195 Minor Threat - I Don’t Want to Hear It 237 Points, 5 Votes
194 Metallica - Battery 239 Points, 4 Votes
193 Megadeth - Peace Sells 244 Points, 5 Votes
192 Bob Mould - Whichever Way The Wind Blows 245 points, 4 Votes One #1
191 Faith No More - From Out of Nowhere 246 Points, 4 Votes
189 Scraping Foetus off the Wheel - Clothes Hoist 250 Points, 4 Votes (TIE)
189 F/i - Why Not Now? Alan! 250 Points, 4 Votes (TIE)
187 Fishbone - Party At Ground Zero 251 Points, 6 Votes (TIE)
187 Skinny Puppy - Assimilate 251 Points, 6 Votes (TIE)
185 Psychic TV - Unclean 253 Points, 4 Votes (TIE)
185 Trouble - Tempter 253 Points, 4 Votes (TIE)
184 Napalm Death - You Suffer 253 Points, 4 Votes One #1
183 Angry Samoans - Lights Out 254 Points, 6 Votes
182 Killing Joke - Pssyche 256 Points, 4 Votes
180 Slade - Run Run Away 259 Points, 4 Votes (TIE)
180 Black Flag - What I See 259 Points, 4 Votes (TIE)
179 Butthole Surfers - Jimi 260 Points, 4 Votes
178 Sisters Of Mercy - Temple Of Love 260 Points, 5 Votes
177 Candlemass - At The Gallows End 261 Points, 5 Votes
175 Pixies - River Euphrates 263 Points, 4 Votes (TIE)
175 Nomeansno - It's Catching Up 263 Points, 4 Votes (TIE)
174 F/i - Trauma at the Beach 264 Points, 4 Votes
173 Flux of Pink Indians - Tube Disaster 267 Points, 4 Votes
172 KMFDM - A Drug Against War 268 Votes, 5 Points
171 Grauzone - Eisbär 269 4 Votes
170 Glenn Branca - Lesson No. 1 271 Points, 5 Votes
169 Van Halen - Hot for Teacher 272 Points, 5 Votes
168 My Bloody Valentine - Thorn 274 Points, 4 Votes One #1
167 Pop Will Eat Itself - Wise Up! Sucker 275 Points, 6 Votes
166 The Cult - Love Removal Machine 276 Points, 5 Votes
165 Loop - Collision 276 Points, 7 Votes
164 Def Leppard - Bringin' on the Heartbreak 279 Points, 6 Votes
163 Nomeansno - The Tower 280 Points, 3 Votes
162 Scratch Acid - She Said 280 Points, 4 Votes One #1
161 Agent Orange - Bloodstains 281 Points 6 Votes
160 Rapeman - Trouser Minnow 283 Points, 5 Votes One #1
158 Night Ranger - Sister Christian 283 Points 6 Votes (TIE)
158 The Dead Milkmen - Bitchin' Camaro 283 Points, 6 Votes (TIE)
157 Live Skull - Fort Belvedere 296 Points, 4 Votes
156 Judas Priest - Electric Eye Points, 297 6 Votes
155 Minutemen - Boy Dylan Wrote Propaganda Songs 300 Points, 4 Votes
154 Swans - Half Life 301 Points, 5 Votes
153 Ramones - Bonzo Goes To Bitburg (My Brain Is Hanging Upside Down) 302 Points, 6 Votes
152 Ramones - Chinese Rock 309 Points , 7 Votes
151 Husker Du - Ice Cold Ice 310 Points, 5 Votes
150 Soundgarden - Hands All Over 311 Points, 5 Votes
149 Birthday Party - Dead Joe 311 Points, 6 Votes
148 Redd Kross - What They Say 312 Points, 5 Votes
147 Black Sabbath - Neon Knights 313 Points, 5 Votes One #1
145 The Godfathers - Birth, School, Work, Death 313 Points, 7 Votes (TIE)
145 Joan Jett & the Blackhearts - I Love Rock 'n Roll 313 Points, 7 Votes (TIE)
144 Killing Joke - Eighties 314 Points, 9 Votes
143 Iron Maiden - The Trooper 316 Points, 6 Votes
142 Ministry - Burning Inside 319 Points, 7 Votes
141 Def Leppard - Foolin' 320 Points, 6 Votes
140 Ministry - Flashback 323 Points, 7 Votes
139 Misfits - Astro Zombies 326 Points, 5 Votes
137 Dio - Rainbow in the Dark 335 Points, 6 Votes
137 Candlemass - Mirror Mirror 335 Points, 6 Votes
136 Ministry - Deity 339 Points, 6 Votes
135 Celtic Frost - Procreation Of The Wicked 340 Points, 5 Votes
134 Slayer - Raining Blood 347 Points, 7 Votes
133 Guns N' Roses - Sweet Child o Mine 350 Points, 6 Votes
132 Run DMC - King of Rock 353 Points, 7 Votes
131 Shriekback - My Spine (Is The Bassline) 354 Points, 6 Votes
130 Journey - Separate Ways (Worlds Apart) 358 Points, 6 Votes
129 Hüsker Dü - What's Going On 367 Points, 7 Votes
128 Metallica - Welcome Home (Sanitarium) 370 Points 8 Votes
127 Hüsker Dü - Real World 372 Points, 6 Votes
126 The Jesus and Mary Chain - Taste the Floor 373 Votes, 6 Points
125 Killing Joke - The Wait 375 Points, 8 Votes
124 Pixies - Bone Machine 376 Points, 7 Votes
123 Big Black - Jordan, Minnesota 380 6 Votes
122 They Might Be Giants - Ana Ng 381 Points, 6 Votes
121 Cramps - Goo Goo Muck 382 Points, 6 Votes
120 AC/DC - For Those About to Rock 386 Points, 6 Votes , One #1
119 Sisters of Mercy - This Corrosion 388 Points, 8 Votes
118 The Replacements - Color Me Impressed 390 Points, 7 Votes
117 Hüsker Dü - Pink Turns To Blue 396 Points, 7 Votes
116 The Young Gods - Longue Route 398 Points, 7 Votes
115 Faith No More - Epic 398 Points 9 Votes
114 Metallica - Creeping Death 399 Points, 8 Votes
113 The Young Gods - Envoyé 408 Points, 8 Votes
112 The Jesus And Mary Chain - Some Candy Talking 409 Points 9 Votes
111 Minutemen - Little Man With a Gun In His Hand 413 Points 7 Votes
110 Living Colour - Cult of Personality 413 Points, 9 Votes
109 Flipper - Ever 415 Points, 6 Votes
108 Big Black - Fists of Love 415 Points, 9 Votes
107 Godflesh - Like Rats 419 Points, 8 Votes
106 The Cult - Firewoman 420 Points, 9 Votes
105 ZZ Top - Cheap Sunglasses 423 Points, 8 Votes
104 Scraping Foetus Off the Wheel - Throne of Agony 426 Points, 7 Votes, One #1
103 Meat Puppets - Lake of Fire 429 Points, 9 Votes
102 The Flaming Lips - Jesus Shootin' Heroin 440 Points, 8 Votes One #1
101 Metallica - One 448 Points, 9 Votes
100 Saint Vitus - Born Too Late 449 Points, 5 Votes, Two #1's
99 Blue Oyster Cult - Veteran of the Psychic Wars 450 Points, 6 Votes
98 Sonic Youth - Stereo Sanctity 451 Points, 8 Votes
97 Husker Du - Something I Learned Today 462 Points, 10 Votes
96 Def Leppard - Rock of Ages 467 Points, 8 Votes
95 Einsturzende Neubauten - Tanz Debil 468 Votes 6 Points, One #1
94 Spacemen 3 - OD Catastrophe 469 Points, 9 Votes
93 Melvins - It's Shoved 488 Points, 8 Votes, One #1
92 Van Halen - Panama - 490 Points, 8 Votes, One #1
91 Minutemen - This Ain't No Picnic 494 Points, 12 Votes
90 Hüsker Dü - Diane 498 Points, 9 Votes, One #1
89 Rush - Limelight 502 Points, 9 Votes
88 Wipers - Youth of America 522 Points, 9 Votes One #1
87 Misfits - Last Caress 523 Points, 11 Votes
86 Metallica - For Whom The Bell Tolls 525 Points, 11 Votes
85 Nirvana - About A Girl 526 Points, 9 Votes
84 Beastie Boys - Looking Down the Barrel of a Gun 527 Points, 9 Votes
83 Pixies - Gouge Away 528 Points, 11 Votes
82 Dinosaur Jr - Little Fury Things 533 Points, 8 Votes
81 Joan Jett - Bad Reputation 533 Points 11 Votes
80 The Jim Carroll Band - People Who Died 537 Points, 8 Votes
77 Big Black - Bad Penny 539 Points, 10 Votes (TIE)
77 Flipper - Ha Ha Ha 539 Points, 10 Votes (TIE)
77 Ministry - Thieves 539 10 Votes (TIE)
76 Fugazi - Margin Walker 542 Points, 10 Votes
75 Killing Joke - Wardance 543 Points, 11 Votes
74 Guns N' Roses - Paradise City 545 Points 9 Votes
73 Dinosaur Jr - Sludgefeast 545 Points, 10 Votes
72 My Bloody Valentine - Sueisfine 552 Points, 12 Votes
71 Ozzy Osbourne - Crazy Train 554 Points, 10 Votes
70 Candlemass - Solitude 555 Points, 8 Votes, One #1
69 Mudhoney - You Got It (Keep It Outta My Face) 555 Points 10 Votes
68 Hüsker Dü - Chartered Trips 559 points, 8 Votes, One #1
67 Faith No More - We Care a Lot 562 Points, 10 Votes
66 Jane's Addiction - Ocean Size 565 Points, 10 Votes
65 Jane's Addiction - Had A Dad 567 Points, 9 Votes Two #1's
64 Sonic Youth - Flower 569 Points, 8 Votes
63 Guns N' Roses - Welcome To The Jungle 575 Points, 10 Votes
62 Angel Witch - Angel Witch 582 Points 10 Votes
61 Bad Brains - Banned In DC 582 Points, 11 Votes
60 Rush - Tom Sawyer 585 points, 10 Votes
59 Judas Priest - Breaking the Law 587 Points, 12 Votes
58 Iron Maiden - The Number of the Beast 596 Points, 10 Votes
57 Sonic Youth - Pacific Coast Highway 598 Points, 8 Votes
56 Gang Of Four - To Hell With Poverty! 598 Points, 11 Votes, One #1
55 Mudhoney - In 'n' Out of Grace 612 Points, 12 Votes
54 Black Flag - My War 621 Points, 10 Votes
53 Black Flag - Six Pack 621 Points, 11 Votes
52 Dead Kennedys - Nazi Punks Fuck Off 634 Points, 10 Votes, One #1
51 Sonic Youth - Death to Our Friends 641 Points, 9 Votes
50 Danzig - Mother 647 Points, 13 Votes
49 Hüsker Dü - Eight Miles High 663 Points 11 Votes
48 Def Leppard - Photograph 666 Points, 11 Votes
47 Blue Öyster Cult - Burnin' for You 666 Points, 12 Votes
46 Public Enemy - She Watch Channel Zero 672 Points, 13 Votes
45 Nine Inch Nails - Head Like a Hole 689 Points, 15 Votes
44 Misfits - Where Eagles Dare 691 Points, 12 Votes
43 AC/DC - You Shook Me All Night Long 693 Points, 11 Votes
42 The Fall - Totally Wired 702 Points, 13 Votes
41 Neil Young - Rockin' in the Free World 705 Points, 13 Votes

crazy that we've already had 3 instances of the same act placing two songs in a row, and several other times where it came very close to happening

i guess i just wonder how much more they fit compared to so many amerindie bands that were willfully excluded

I do think 80s Sonic Youth were more of a heavy rocking band than REM/B-52s/Blondie/Talking Heads, who seemed to represent the main sorts of American rock music that were excluded. I don't think they fit worse than Swans/Neubauten/Lydia Lunch on one end or Dinosaur Jr/Meat Puppets/fIREHOSE on another end.

or the Pixies or MBV

oh you're definitely looking at this from the most logical viewpoint one can attempt to wring out of it. it just all sits oddly with me.

Well, are you enjoying the rollout and/or the songs in it? Discovered anything good you hadn't heard before?

emil.y explained it best, in the nominations thread.

Well, are you enjoying the rollout and/or the songs in it?

are you a glutton for punishment, some dude, or are you a glutton for rock?

I do think 80s Sonic Youth were more of a heavy rocking band than REM/B-52s/Blondie/Talking Heads, who seemed to represent the main sorts of American rock music that were excluded. I don't think they fit worse than Swans/Neubauten/Lydia Lunch on one end or Dinosaur Jr/Meat Puppets/fIREHOSE on another end.

^^^

yeah, after their first EP, SY pointedly evolved into a no-wave-influenced hard-rock band, while their jangley college-rock contemporaries were writing very catchy pop tunes w/light rock trappings. the poll is intentionally biased towards hard rock, so naturally SY got in while the others were excluded. so much of their 80s output is loud and abrasive and dissonant and pounding that it's a mystery to me why their place in this poll is questioned at all.

except U2/Rem/Pretenders did end up with albums nominated.

because of so much bitching

old biz f/EIII

yeah ok maybe not sister

thought there was some proto-dinosaur stuff on there but looking at the track list, no

xp to stirmonster

― vincent black shadow giallo (Edward III), Tuesday, September 25, 2012 4:34 PM (4 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

no, I think you're 100% OTM. SY were huge Dinosaur Jr. fans, and were v. vocal about it. Sister is very much SY's first big stab at making a relatively conventional rock record, and while it's true that they were influenced by Black Flag, I think that they were also influenced by Dinosaur Jr. Black Flag may have reclaimed hard rock first after its exile by punk rock, but Dinosaur Jr. were so much more overt and unashamed about their hard rock intentions, which was a real novelty at the time (Black Flag buried their hard-rock adoration in so many punk signifiers that it was often tough f/people to see what they were doing). I suppose the argument hinges on your interpretation of Sister, but I definitely see a substantial progression towards more conventional hard rock stylings, and I think Dinosaur Jr. had a hand in this evolution.

its kinda funny we're still arguing about poll specifications in the 3rd thread for the poll

i expected the sonic youth discussion however

well, apart from the fact that i just can't hear it on sister, at the time they recorded it dinosaur had only released one record which had little initial impact. while i don't doubt the fact that sonic youth became big dinosaur fans i think sister was already done by that point. the jump in style from evol to sister never seemed that great to me and i always think of it as part of a trilogy starting with bad moon rising. the change in sound and style from sister to daydream nation however was gigantic. xp

dinosaur had a huge impact for the people listening to indie rock in my neck of suburban NJ, I assume a group of rabid music fans like sonic youth had probably heard of them in NYC

oh hai, when in doubt consult wikipedia. by the time they recorded sister they had already toured w/ dinosaur!

Mascis took Cosloy up on his offer to release an album and Dinosaur recorded their debut album for $500 at a home studio in the woods outside Northampton, Massachusetts.[4] Their debut album, Dinosaur was released in 1985. The music was extremely eclectic and revealed a combination of musical styles that was very unusual, especially for the mid-1980s: hardcore punk, Crazy Horse-style garage rock, Black Sabbath-style metal riffs, folk rock, twangy country-rock and gothic music. On the band's later albums, these elements would often be combined into single songs, but on the debut album, each individual song is different stylistically. All of this was delivered with the extreme level of volume and distortion that would become part of the band's signature style. Mascis wrote all of the songs. Some of the singing was done by Mascis in his trademark nasal drawl, often compared with Neil Young, but the majority of the lead vocals were by Lou Barlow. Mascis would sing most or all of the lead vocals on all of their subsequent releases. The album did not make much of an impact commercially or critically: it sold only about 1,500 copies in its first year and was largely ignored by the majority of the music press.[5]

After the record's release, Dinosaur would often drive to New York City to perform shows. At one of their shows, the New York-based alternative rock band Sonic Youth was at first unimpressed by the first Dinosaur performance they saw, but after watching them play several months later, approached the band declaring themselves as fans.[6] The band was bewildered by Sonic Youth's praise; Barlow recalled, "We're like, 'What? How could the coolest band in the world like us?'"[7] Sonic Youth invited Dinosaur to join them on tour in the American Northeast and northern Midwest in September 1986.

yeah i was gonna say, in the You're Living 33 1/3 it goes into how Thurston championed Dino almost immediately

well, apart from the fact that i just can't hear it on sister, at the time they recorded it dinosaur had only released one record which had little initial impact. while i don't doubt the fact that sonic youth became big dinosaur fans i think sister was already done by that point. the jump in style from evol to sister never seemed that great to me and i always think of it as part of a trilogy starting with bad moon rising. the change in sound and style from sister to daydream nation however was gigantic. xp

I disagree about how and when SY's sound changed (and obviously their influences), but inevitably every fan is going to draw the map differently. I used to think that the band peaked w/Evol (w/Confusion, Bad Moon and Evol being a kind of "trilogy"), but after re-listening to all of their 80s records f/this poll, I see '83-'85 as their real peak, w/Confusion is Sex and Bad Moon Rising forming really bold yin/yang bookends. I don't expect anyone to agree w/this, but it illustrates my point about the number of ways that you can parse their career.

ok but to boringly reiterate yet again, i just don't hear it on sister at all. i think the two massive changes were from confusion is sex to bad moon and sister to daydream but yes, hellhouse, i guess it's different for different ears.

for the record, bad moon rising is my favourite SY record.

just wait til the sonic youth fights on the album results thread!

I kinda shoulda just posted #40 with this argument going on. It's a Sonic Youth song. But I guess you gotta wait to see which one it is..

Black Flag may have reclaimed hard rock first after its exile by punk rock, but Dinosaur Jr. were so much more overt and unashamed about their hard rock intentions, which was a real novelty at the time

yeah, I've been thinking a lot about what differentiated dinosaur from other folks who were turning towards hard rock at the time, and overt/unashamed seem like good terms to use. in 1985 you had not only black flag going sabbath on my war and loose nut, but other SST bands like st vitus, husker du, minutemen, and meat puppets embracing 60s rock/folk/country styles, not to mention folks like the butthole surfers bringing back psychedelic sprawl. things were definitely getting more stoned out in hardcore land. but there was something unashamedly AOR and radio-ready about dinosaur, something more integrated and expansive about the way they approached the guitar. it definitely felt like a deliberate return of the 70s "guitar god" concept. it's hard to put my finger on it, but aside from SY's express endorsements of the band, I hear more dinosaur in "teenage riot" than husker du. maybe it was just the whole quiet-LOUD-quiet thing, which was also kinda novel at the time.

what's weird is that dinosaur's influence was so widespread it's hard now to hear how revelatory they were in '85. you've heard a million songs like "repulsion" from the indie corps over the years, even "smells like teen spirit" capitalized on their quiet-LOUD-quiet steez. so for me listening to it now is almost like looking at a cubist painting, I can hear both the shocking original and the done-to-death aspects of their sound.

http://youtu.be/gHnPaGFzhTY

jjj please change title to alert everyone to top 40 counting down/finishes today when you get a chance.

47 Blue Öyster Cult - Burnin' for You 666 Points, 12 Votes
this song rules, i dont care if i've heard it a thousand times

43 AC/DC - You Shook Me All Night Long 693 Points, 11 Votes
whereas i would not care if i never heard this again

i think the two massive changes were from confusion is sex to bad moon and sister to daydream but yes, hellhouse, i guess it's different for different ears.

I'm not so much falling back on lazy relativism as I'm conceding the power of certain codified indie narratives (mainly b/c I'm really fucking tired atm). (for a v. zany example of cognitive dissonance re: Sister, check out the P4K Sister review from their Top 100 Albums from the 80s feature; not conflating yr. opinion w/that bit of madness, btw, and BMR is a v. cool 1st choice).

EIII OTM re: Dinosaur xp

aren't people giving Dinosaur Jr. a lot of credit that the Pixies deserve?

speaking as an American here, at a British uni the year SY toured behind Daydream Nation; I can say that nobody gave a flying fuck about Dino Jr, but the Pixies were the hottest band in the world when Doolittle came out. And, much as I think the Pixies are the single most overrated band on ILM (scary spooky horrorcore lyrics bore me, too old and unGoth), nobody did quiet/loud better than them...

you guys need a Sonic Youth thread or a Dinosaur Jr thread... or something

:)

Does anyone else think the first 45 seconds of "Little Fury Things" sounds just like Lifelover?

dinosaur jr impact on american underground precedes the pixies and tbh was pretty much absorbed by the time the pixies put out an album. dinosaur jr quiet-loud works differently than pixies also - pixies quiet-loud is the 'smells like teen spirit' template that ends up ruling 90s rock radio, dinosaur jr quiet-loud could almost more contained-fucked up (ie it's never really 'quiet' like 'gigantic' is) definite impact on sonic youth at the time and directly or indirectly on mbv (though there's enough differences that i can see ppl not buying it - asleep vs dreaming, frampton vs cocteau twins maybe), also alot of pixies quiet-loud is really albini quiet-loud, to the extent you hear the pixies in 90s amerindie i'd argue you're hearing albini, whereas dinosaur jr all over 90s amerindie beyond quiet-loud dynamic even. fwiw i love both bands, have definitely listened to more pixies (i was 13 when surfer rosa came out, there were boobs on the cover), probably more likely to listen to dinosaur jr in the future.

also obv dinosaur jr-mbv connection i'm missing: they toured together! athens show ppl still talk about twenty some odd years and i missed it (tbf i was in high school and underage and o god fuckit i have no excuse i will regret this til the day i die). interesting guitarworld story on mascis and shields: http://www.mybloodyvalentine.net/press/guitarworld-apr93.html. for those that don't read it, an excerpt:In the other corner we have Kevin Shields: guitarist, singer, songwriter and overall mastermind of My Bloody Valentine. An Irishman by birth, Kevin has also lived in New York, Berlin and now London. Quiet and trippily introspective, he answers the general description of what's called a "shoe-gazer" in the UK. And he is positively obsessed with guitar sounds--the kind of person who could easily spend an entire day making minor adjustments to the angle of two Vox AC30's pointed at one another and miked from nine different sides. All of which helps explain why My Bloody Valentine's breakthrough album, Loveless, is a brilliant collection of warped, other-worldly guitar tones and mind-bending pop hooks. As soon as it appeared in 1991, the record was universally acclaimed as a masterpiece of the new Nineties guitar rock. The trouble is it took an awful lot of time and money to record. It's rumored that this is why the Valentines were dropped by their English label, Creation. Not to worry, though: Shields and his group recently found a new English home on Island Records. (They'll continue on Warner Brothers in the States.) Kev is in the process of building his own studio, where he will record the band's much-anticipated follow up to Loveless. He promises this one'll be done much more quickly.

So looks like about 32 songs in the top 40 will be non-Sonic Youth. isnt that somethin

yeah, albini made the pixies heavier than they actually were on surfer rosa, and those dynamics had to be well-known to them anyway, they lived in the same state as dinosaur for cripes sake. a buddy who saw some early dinosaur shows described them as "jangle-jangle-jangle (steps on imaginary distortion pedal) SKREEEEOOOOOOOOOOHONGKKKKKRRRRRRR (turns off imaginary distortion pedal) jangle-jangle-jangle", and anybody doing that trick in '87, self included, was pretty aware of where it came from, as aware as if you had just stuck a screwdriver in your guitar.

You guys know orig name for Teen Age Riot was J Mascis for President, rightv

and I swear my final point here - I wasn't spotting dinosaur's influence everywhere because of a great love - as noted above I didn't even like you're living all over me when it came out! and the dinosaur influence was the least interesting part of MBV's sound! and SY's fascination with dinosaur pretty much ruined them as a band! it was some pernicious language-is-a-virus pandora's box that dinosaur opened, but they opened it so credit where credit is due.

alright fine i am listening through the sonic youth tracks on spotify now since u dudes seem so into it all

is stereo sanctity the first one that placed or did i miss some stuff

I'm actually not that interested in YLAOM either, aside from "In a Jar" which is awesome, and totally another track I wish I'd nom'd, and what I would recommend to DJP if he wants to hear Barlow playing bass...

xp ha yeah, I liked Stereo Sanctity a lot more when they sped it up and let Kim go hammer all over it and called it Orange Rolls Anmgels Spit

ok so that didnt help or change anything. i think the problem is that i can kind of sort of see them being sort of innocuously ok wrt the instrumental side (although kind of boring?) but holy shit man i can not stand the vocals, i hate everything about them across the board. like in a way where i will sorta ease up on my cranky old man routine because i am willing to admit that i cant give this band a fair shot at all because as soon as somebody starts singing i skip the song. although death to our friends seems to be instrumental and i hated that too. eh.

segued into rocking in the free world which is actually much worse because the vocals and instrumentation and song are all equally dreadful so hey sonic youth gets one leg up from me sorta