THAT RIFF! THAT VOICE!
― Algerian Goalkeeper, Monday, 24 September 2012 20:46 (thirteen years ago)
They were obv such a corny band, but they really did have great vocal melodies.
― Neckbeard's Castle (Mr Andy M), Monday, September 24, 2012 4:39 PM (6 minutes ago)
corny maybe, but pound for pound they produced the greatest body of work of any punk band imo
― vincent black shadow giallo (Edward III), Monday, 24 September 2012 20:48 (thirteen years ago)
http://userserve-ak.last.fm/serve/_/20789097/Candlemass+_Messiah.jpg
― Algerian Goalkeeper, Monday, 24 September 2012 20:49 (thirteen years ago)
Aldo get in thread
― Algerian Goalkeeper, Monday, 24 September 2012 20:50 (thirteen years ago)
playlist going from the adolescents -> iron maiden is causing some cognitive dissonance
― vincent black shadow giallo (Edward III), Monday, 24 September 2012 20:50 (thirteen years ago)
surprised anyone doesn't like "so what", if i'm honest.
― stirmonster, Monday, 24 September 2012 20:50 (thirteen years ago)
like, you look at how a song like "(Everyday Is) Halloween" is structured and then compare it to "So What", which is two minutes longer and has fewer musical ideas in it, and you really start seeing how Ministry really just turned into a vehicle for a drugged-up Jourgenson to shout at a microphone more than a band making music
Even "Flashback", which is a simple 4 minute long aggro blast, introduces more weirdo variations and phrases into its semi-brainless howl of anger than the meandering rumble of "So What", which basically alternates between "here's the part where the guitar noodles" and "here's the part where the guitar plays a riff" with little to no development within those sections distinguishing one from another as the song listlessly alternates through them, at which point I'm basically stuck trying to like the song solely because Al shouts "ANAL FUCKFEST" in it.
and that's why I don't like post-Land and Rape Ministry *bows*
― cake-like Lady Gaga (DJP), Monday, 24 September 2012 20:50 (thirteen years ago)
*applause*
― vincent black shadow giallo (Edward III), Monday, 24 September 2012 20:51 (thirteen years ago)
Oh not arguing with that, and I'd consider myself a fan. But they do have some elements where... the best way I could put it is I could imagine other people cringing although I don't. And a few indefensible lyrics obv.xpost to EdwardIII
― Neckbeard's Castle (Mr Andy M), Monday, 24 September 2012 20:52 (thirteen years ago)
I get the feeling Dan & John have been arguing about this for over 20 years.
― Algerian Goalkeeper, Monday, 24 September 2012 20:54 (thirteen years ago)
Didn't vote for Candlemass, but Messiah era is great, aye. Chapter VI is fucking dreadful though.
― passive-aggressive display name (aldo), Monday, 24 September 2012 20:54 (thirteen years ago)
I just want to say however WHY WASN'T JUST LIKE YOU NOMINATED?
― Algerian Goalkeeper, Monday, 24 September 2012 20:55 (thirteen years ago)
Dio pwns
and I know it's assumed when I'm posting now but fyi its' criminal that Rainbow isn't higher
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 24 September 2012 20:55 (thirteen years ago)
hehehehe aldo is still sore from a messiah-less candlemass making a power metal album and not doom.
― Algerian Goalkeeper, Monday, 24 September 2012 20:56 (thirteen years ago)
I strongly considered nominating Twitch era songs but they didn't feel sufficiently "rock" enough for what I thought ppl were looking for
In retrospect, I would have nominated the entire album and voted for "Isle of Man" and "The Angel Song"
― cake-like Lady Gaga (DJP), Monday, 24 September 2012 20:57 (thirteen years ago)
136 Ministry - Deity 339 6 Voteshttp://open.spotify.com/track/2C4r66hSqKhvTvBHxZiJG3http://youtu.be/h6MAPQw665Y
― Algerian Goalkeeper, Monday, 24 September 2012 21:04 (thirteen years ago)
Did Dan nip out for a crap?
― Algerian Goalkeeper, Monday, 24 September 2012 21:07 (thirteen years ago)
135 Celtic Frost - Procreation Of The Wicked 340 Points, 5 Voteshttp://open.spotify.com/track/3TNb7BL1votP59buumqgrvhttp://youtu.be/Fa4gp8CNSes
If you don't dig this you're dead to me.
― Algerian Goalkeeper, Monday, 24 September 2012 21:11 (thirteen years ago)
I do like "Deity" but it's not my favorite Rape and Honey song (which would be "You Know What You Are" or "Flashback")
― cake-like Lady Gaga (DJP), Monday, 24 September 2012 21:12 (thirteen years ago)
It's no Into The Crypt Of Rays.
― passive-aggressive display name (aldo), Monday, 24 September 2012 21:13 (thirteen years ago)
btw I'm listening to "Fascist Jock Itch" right now and kind of mad that I didn't vote for it; the Ministry template from this era works so much better on non-Ministry bands
― cake-like Lady Gaga (DJP), Monday, 24 September 2012 21:14 (thirteen years ago)
I know I've been a bit 'meh' about most of the metal selections so far (this is just vmic for me I'm afraid) but yeah, this Celtic Frost one I quite like.
― Neckbeard's Castle (Mr Andy M), Monday, 24 September 2012 21:16 (thirteen years ago)
how can anyone be meh about Candlemass?????
― Algerian Goalkeeper, Monday, 24 September 2012 21:17 (thirteen years ago)
Think I tend to like my metal mid-to-slow tempo and chunky/crunchy sounding (with a few exceptions, e.g. I love Motothead's uptempo stuff).
― Neckbeard's Castle (Mr Andy M), Monday, 24 September 2012 21:17 (thirteen years ago)
yeah cmon Candlemass is awesome
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 24 September 2012 21:18 (thirteen years ago)
xpost well then Candlemass is yr thing, they are super slow!
yeah I don't remember hearing Candlemass before today and that's kind of my takeaway "I should look into this band more" for the day
― cake-like Lady Gaga (DJP), Monday, 24 September 2012 21:18 (thirteen years ago)
xpost the vocals are certainly impressive, I'll give you that. They're not in a style I'd go out of my way for, but he's good at what he does.
― Neckbeard's Castle (Mr Andy M), Monday, 24 September 2012 21:19 (thirteen years ago)
also if "Tin Omen" doesn't show up on this poll I'm gonna pitch one
― cake-like Lady Gaga (DJP), Monday, 24 September 2012 21:19 (thirteen years ago)
Candlemass go from super slow to mid-paced epic doom and back again. Just like Trouble both bands are the gods of the genre along with a certain SST band.
― Algerian Goalkeeper, Monday, 24 September 2012 21:20 (thirteen years ago)
ok the cries of TOO LOW are really gonna come thick and fast now. But blame those who cba voting.
134 Slayer - Raining Blood 347 Points, 7 Voteshttp://open.spotify.com/track/01Mpj13vURSO3cCLprPt5Thttp://youtu.be/QgpzLUCY0rU
― Algerian Goalkeeper, Monday, 24 September 2012 21:22 (thirteen years ago)
actually was it "Tin Omen 1" that was the slightly slower version that popped up on the "Worlock" single? that version is full-on creepfest menacing awesome with about as close as Skinny Puppy comes to a bravura vocal performance
― cake-like Lady Gaga (DJP), Monday, 24 September 2012 21:23 (thirteen years ago)
YOU ARE FUCKING KIDDING
― passive-aggressive display name (aldo), Monday, 24 September 2012 21:23 (thirteen years ago)
^he's talking about Slayer.
― Algerian Goalkeeper, Monday, 24 September 2012 21:25 (thirteen years ago)
Looool.
― Neckbeard's Castle (Mr Andy M), Monday, 24 September 2012 21:25 (thirteen years ago)
reign in blood v. high in my album ballot
with a few exceptions, tracks from albums that were on my album ballot got dropped off my tracks ballot
― vincent black shadow giallo (Edward III), Monday, 24 September 2012 21:26 (thirteen years ago)
I had that as a lock for the top 10.
― Algerian Goalkeeper, Monday, 24 September 2012 21:26 (thirteen years ago)
although "Tin Omen 1" does miss the howl of rage over the double-time section
I think the takeaway is this: "Tin Omen" is fucking awesome and I would recommend ppl buy the album Rabies solely for that song, even though there are other good songs on the album
oh hey, are you guys talking about Slayer or something
― cake-like Lady Gaga (DJP), Monday, 24 September 2012 21:27 (thirteen years ago)
I suppose thrash metal hating hair metallers will be sniggering.
― Algerian Goalkeeper, Monday, 24 September 2012 21:27 (thirteen years ago)
yeah Dan I think we're 2 days ahead of you
― Algerian Goalkeeper, Monday, 24 September 2012 21:28 (thirteen years ago)
btw Scratch Acid is fucking fantastic
― cake-like Lady Gaga (DJP), Monday, 24 September 2012 21:28 (thirteen years ago)
that first scratch acid EP is a thing of perfection
― vincent black shadow giallo (Edward III), Monday, 24 September 2012 21:31 (thirteen years ago)
The next one up I assumed was a lock for the top 10 too, but like slayer, it misses out.
― Algerian Goalkeeper, Monday, 24 September 2012 21:31 (thirteen years ago)
is it true skinny puppy wrote call me maybe
― woof, Monday, 24 September 2012 21:31 (thirteen years ago)
ike, you look at how a song like "(Everyday Is) Halloween" is structured and then compare it to "So What", which is two minutes longer and has fewer musical ideas in it, and you really start seeing how Ministry really just turned into a vehicle for a drugged-up Jourgenson to shout at a microphone more than a band making music
i actually pretty much agree with you and i think "mind.." is an extremely so-so album but i think i probably have a penchant for "so what" from when i would mix it into banging techno tracks at extremely high volumes and watching people on ecstasy have an instant comedown.
― stirmonster, Monday, 24 September 2012 21:31 (thirteen years ago)
haha okay if I had that type of association with "So What" I would probably like it more
― cake-like Lady Gaga (DJP), Monday, 24 September 2012 21:33 (thirteen years ago)
digging scratch acid much more now than i did at the time.
― stirmonster, Monday, 24 September 2012 21:33 (thirteen years ago)
Reign in Blood is just one long chunk of rancor. difficult if not impossible (and also perverse) to split it into singles.
― Hellhouse, Monday, 24 September 2012 21:33 (thirteen years ago)
So heavy rock fans who sniggered at Slayer placing so low pick your chins up off the floor.
― Algerian Goalkeeper, Monday, 24 September 2012 21:34 (thirteen years ago)