The ILM 1980s Anti-Rolling Stone Canon (FREE PUSSY RIOT) Rock Poll Results - Tracks! Final top 10 results happening right now.

since its prob too late to see it place skinny puppys "facist jock itch" has for me the definitional stuttering hey whoa is the drum machine broken moment of the entire ministry experience

Dan From their 2nd album onwards til 90s was Messiah Marcolin (the mad monk)

I am a huge minuteman fan and I don't really like "bob dylan wrote propaganda songs"

prolly cuz it's called "bob dylan wrote propaganda songs"

bob dylan wrote protest songs is my go to "plz ezplain the minutemen to me i have 3 minutes" track.

― O_o-O_O-o_O (jjjusten), Monday, September 24, 2012 4:10 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

do you play it twice?

He came back but quit again. He's the fans favourite but a total diva.

re. BHole Surfers. I should give them more time, but that doesn't seem right for that kind of band- either you like them or you don't, and I'm happy not to and accept I'm missing out.

"Jesus Built My Hotrod" sucks super hard and has always been a terrible song

The first Candlemass album is the best but it has a different singer. Hes great though. He did do roadburn with them a few years ago.
They just recently sacked the Solitude Aeturnus singer Robert Lowe. He has an awesome voice too.

no way dan!

141 Def Leppard - Foolin' 320 Points, 6 Votes
http://youtu.be/jACrmwTsi08

love this Def Lep track, so sad that it gets relegated to the 100's

FUH FUH FUH FOOOLIN

the butthole surfers album with some of their catchiest songs (psychic, powerless) starts with some of their weirdest, off-kilter songs, so it's not like they make it easy for anyone

"To Parter" is great, and catchy.

Probably the song that got me to some attention to them, or to at least be more open the next time I heard something by them.

Ministry had a last gasp of goodness with In Case You Didn't Feel Like Showing Up, which rescued some of the weirdly limp aggro-bludgeons on A Mind... that should have been as awesome as "Burning Inside" but never were (specifically "So What" and the version of "Breathe" from the video that ended up on a Sire comp) but most of what was good on it were Rape and Honey tracks; by the time Psalm 69 came out, Ministry had made the decision to entirely jettison everything about them that was interesting and entertaining and double down on being a ball of empty aggression with some pat, corny samples thrown on top in order to maintain their industrial cred. From the 90s on, they've been completely useless as a band.

140 Ministry - Flashback 323 Points, 7 Votes
http://open.spotify.com/track/7fBbXkujJb0EjxipjDShKC
http://youtu.be/iNAZ9BBRGk0

Case in point, this song is fucking blazing and wonderful and about a bazillion times better than anything Ministry released after 1990

cuz I hate her

Mind.... is a brilliant album. As is psalm 69

Mind has one great song ("Burning Inside"), two okay songs ("Thieves", "Faith Collapsing") and a gigantic amount of bullshit (everything else); Psalm 69 doesn't even have that

xp yeah Psalm 69 is great

it's sort of sad but it is a personal point of pride that I identified how horribly Ministry was starting to suck and jumped off the bandwagon before they could Filth Pig me

stuff I voted for so far

243 8-Eyed Spy - Lazy in Love 177 Points, 4 votes (TIE)
216 X - The Hungry Wolf 205 Points, 4 Votes
200 Dinosaur Jr - The Lung 232 Points, 5 Votes
174 F/i - Trauma at the Beach 264 Points, 4 Votes
170 Glenn Branca - Lesson No. 1 271 Points, 5 Votes
161 Agent Orange - Bloodstains 281 Points 6 Votes
154 Swans - Half Life 301 Points, 5 Votes

all these were in my top 10, scratch acid was my #1 vote

162 Scratch Acid - She Said 280 Points, 4 Votes One #1
157 Live Skull - Fort Belvedere 296 Points, 4 Votes
185 Psychic TV - Unclean 253 Points, 4 Votes (TIE)
207 Chrome - New Age 219 Points, 4 Votes

yeah, I'm just watching all my fave picks go down in flames long before the top 100. v. glad AG is running a top 250 poll so I can actually participate (ha!). a bit surprised you voted f/the Dinosaur, though (never knew your love of them went beyond the first rec).

139 Misfits - Astro Zombies 326 Points, 5 Votes
http://open.spotify.com/track/7dWyBjRr6F6Ap2N6xNNXf2
http://youtu.be/HZJPPOLBDcc

yeah Misfits not the one I voted for, but awesome anyway

I came to terms w/ you're living all over me in later years so I wanted to throw it a bone, don't think anything from the s/t was nommed in tracks

also DJP otm re: ministry

also I voted for NO misfits lol

oh wait I voted for 1 track/1 album

haha wait what someone who didn't like you're living all over me? are you the indie nate carson?

137 Dio - Rainbow in the Dark 335 Points, 6 Votes
http://open.spotify.com/track/1sRNnxZZDt6rPyvSbCw5im
http://youtu.be/KUXSTY9AW-s

Surprised Dan doesn't like So What, if I'm honest.

Ahhh nice, was starting to suspect no Misfits tunes would make it. Astro Zombies wasn't one of the ones I voted for (still great though).

They were obv such a corny band, but they really did have great vocal melodies.

this Dio track is great!

Is that Dio tied with something? We're missing a #138.

Also, whoa, jjj hates him some Sonic Youth.

Most of the Mind songs suffer from the same problem, which is that there is enough musical material to sustain the song for 2 - 3 minutes, but the songs go on for 6 - 8 minutes; I vividly remember my first listenthrough thinking that most of the songs started out great but got really REALLY old by the time they hit the three minute mark and "Burning Inside" was the only one that managed to sustain energy and interest over the course of the whole song (possibly because it is one of the few songs to make use of consistent rhythmic syncopation on the album).

It's the same problem that a lot of terrible acid records have, where the repetition does not build anywhere and basically you just keep hearing the same musical idea over and over and over with little to no development or variation, leaving this static pile that really is a textbook exercise in sound and fury signifying nothing.

I was a huge fan of the first dinosaur rec for its ghostly melancholy + rawness, waited eagerly for the follow-up and when it came out it sounded like some well-formed pop album to me. so I was that guy walking around saying "the first album was better". prolly wasn't until '92 that I finally came around to it.

incidentally the other night somebody said to me "I like you, ed" and I involuntarily recited the opening to "clothes hoist"

yeah its a tie with This but didn't want 2 of metals greatest vocalists to overshadow one another.

137 Candlemass - Mirror Mirror 335 Points, 6 Votes
http://open.spotify.com/track/2riv9QkQLgXyr0a7RWohcF
http://youtu.be/XRHEnREuJZQ

This track is fucking amazing.

THAT RIFF! THAT VOICE!

They were obv such a corny band, but they really did have great vocal melodies.

― Neckbeard's Castle (Mr Andy M), Monday, September 24, 2012 4:39 PM (6 minutes ago)

corny maybe, but pound for pound they produced the greatest body of work of any punk band imo

http://userserve-ak.last.fm/serve/_/20789097/Candlemass+_Messiah.jpg

Aldo get in thread

playlist going from the adolescents -> iron maiden is causing some cognitive dissonance

surprised anyone doesn't like "so what", if i'm honest.

like, you look at how a song like "(Everyday Is) Halloween" is structured and then compare it to "So What", which is two minutes longer and has fewer musical ideas in it, and you really start seeing how Ministry really just turned into a vehicle for a drugged-up Jourgenson to shout at a microphone more than a band making music

Even "Flashback", which is a simple 4 minute long aggro blast, introduces more weirdo variations and phrases into its semi-brainless howl of anger than the meandering rumble of "So What", which basically alternates between "here's the part where the guitar noodles" and "here's the part where the guitar plays a riff" with little to no development within those sections distinguishing one from another as the song listlessly alternates through them, at which point I'm basically stuck trying to like the song solely because Al shouts "ANAL FUCKFEST" in it.

and that's why I don't like post-Land and Rape Ministry *bows*

*applause*

Oh not arguing with that, and I'd consider myself a fan. But they do have some elements where... the best way I could put it is I could imagine other people cringing although I don't. And a few indefensible lyrics obv.
xpost to EdwardIII

I get the feeling Dan & John have been arguing about this for over 20 years.