hmmm, I hadn't listened to the lyrics :/
― The Reverend, Monday, 24 September 2012 09:47 (eleven years ago) link
You know, I just realized "Adorn" is probably my favorite song since "Happy House" :O
― The Reverend, Monday, 24 September 2012 10:35 (eleven years ago) link
yeah it's def my favorite song in a very long time
― instafapper (J0rdan S.), Monday, 24 September 2012 12:07 (eleven years ago) link
album stream
http://www.npr.org/2012/09/24/161566783/first-listen-miguel-kaleidoscope-dream
― Number None, Monday, 24 September 2012 16:52 (eleven years ago) link
i sorta forgot how much of it we've already heard. New ones sound good though
― Number None, Monday, 24 September 2012 16:56 (eleven years ago) link
P---- Is Mine Artist: Miguel Album: Kaleidoscope DreamPlease be advised, this audio contains profanity.
Artist: Miguel Album: Kaleidoscope Dream
Please be advised, this audio contains profanity.
― Evan R, Monday, 24 September 2012 16:57 (eleven years ago) link
May go see him (if my schedule works out) Wednesday night at the (reopened and renovated) Howard Theatre
― curmudgeon, Monday, 24 September 2012 16:59 (eleven years ago) link
Pizza Is Mine
― instafapper (J0rdan S.), Monday, 24 September 2012 17:04 (eleven years ago) link
i sorta forgot how much of it we've already heard.
That was my beef with all the post-ADC "previews" of this album. It was like seeing 2/3 of The Dark Knight Rises in advance, one 7-minute trailer at a time
― Evan R, Monday, 24 September 2012 17:12 (eleven years ago) link
Look at it this way: it'll be like buying FutureSex/LoveSounds or Rhythm Nation after you've heard the 67 singles.
― taking tiger mountain (up the butt) (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 24 September 2012 17:14 (eleven years ago) link
yeah, to be sure, it doesn't ruin the album or anything. it just waters down the experience of hearing it for the first time
― Evan R, Monday, 24 September 2012 17:16 (eleven years ago) link
yeah, i've sort of come to peace with the whole thing. even the jessie ware album, it's the same thing. you've just got to step back and not hold it against an album if it arrives and we've already heard half of it.
i guess there is also the choice to not listen to any leaks.
― instafapper (J0rdan S.), Monday, 24 September 2012 17:19 (eleven years ago) link
I don't mind since the single/3-5 song EP is my preferred choice of method of consumption these days
I'm haunted by an rtc comment: something like, 'lol at the idea of an album in 2012' or something to that effect
― barthes simpson, Monday, 24 September 2012 17:20 (eleven years ago) link
personally i think the best strategy nowadays is to do what jay/ye & frank ocean (and others) have done and that's to let one or two songs go before dropping the whole thing in full as a digital download. you probably get a nice windfall in sales and everyone gets that experience of hearing it for the first time together. buzz builds for a week and then you can drop the physical. but, maybe that takes a special kind of situation.
― instafapper (J0rdan S.), Monday, 24 September 2012 17:21 (eleven years ago) link
trying to remember the last time a contemporary R&B album with this high a profile came out w/ no obligatory guest rappers
― some dude, Monday, August 27, 2012 12:38 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
might have been preferable to his own rap :/
― The Reverend, Monday, 24 September 2012 17:24 (eleven years ago) link
and he drops a "YOLO" bomb .....
― The Reverend, Monday, 24 September 2012 17:25 (eleven years ago) link
ha, "Where's The Fun In Forever" = where his hanging out w/ FlyLo, Thundercat, etc shows. definitely has that LA "beat scene" feel
― The Reverend, Monday, 24 September 2012 17:26 (eleven years ago) link
― The Reverend, Monday, September 24, 2012 1:24 PM (8 minutes ago) Bookmark
ha, yes
― instafapper (J0rdan S.), Monday, 24 September 2012 17:34 (eleven years ago) link
On the other hand there's less "work" to put into listening to an album on which you've heard four tracks.
― taking tiger mountain (up the butt) (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 24 September 2012 17:35 (eleven years ago) link
btw for those who wondered what the original version of "That I Do" sounded like:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6sZ2qJyIi6A
― The Reverend, Monday, 24 September 2012 17:45 (eleven years ago) link
So I'm curious to see whether all the critical enthusiasm and general good will surrounding Miguel translates into glowing "OMG, you need to buy this! You cannot ignore this!" reviews a la Frank Ocean, or just easier to phase out "Hey, this is pretty good for an R&B album because it's different" reviews
― Evan R, Monday, 24 September 2012 17:51 (eleven years ago) link
oh best case scenario it doesn't get half the critical hype FO has gotten
― some dude, Monday, 24 September 2012 17:52 (eleven years ago) link
I find most of the Ocean an album a well-intentioned bore made by a talented guy whereas Miguel started as a talented guy whose already dropped at least six killer tracks this year.
― taking tiger mountain (up the butt) (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 24 September 2012 17:53 (eleven years ago) link
* omit the "an"
― taking tiger mountain (up the butt) (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 24 September 2012 17:54 (eleven years ago) link
I like "Adorn" and "Arch N Point" more than any particular song on Channel Orange but don't find this album nearly as immersive.
― The Reverend, Monday, 24 September 2012 17:56 (eleven years ago) link
I'm delighted by both, obviously, but my overall experience with each artist so far is that Frank Ocean floors me at first but some of the shine fades over time, where Miguel's material just continues to keep growing on me, even despite absurd amounts of exposure
― Evan R, Monday, 24 September 2012 18:00 (eleven years ago) link
I feel like I'm going to end up listening to songs from this over and over rather than the album over and over.
― The Reverend, Monday, 24 September 2012 18:00 (eleven years ago) link
Which is the same as happened with AIWIY and ADC.
― Evan R, Monday, September 24, 2012 1:51 PM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark
yeah, probably the latter. people definitely embrace the weirdo aspects of miguel's persona and music, but i think the one thing about frank's album (objectively speaking) is that it had this perfect confluence of the artist getting a lot of attention as a celebrity and is music that sounds more like the type of black music that critics have always loved. it's a very strong, singular album imo but it has a wider appeal to critics than, say, the-dream. it's a hip soul album, more or less -- the type of thing that critics have privileged for years, but on the pop stage. miguel has won a lot of people over just because he's so damn good, but it's still not in that same classification as frank.
that said he'll be getting an exponentially higher amount of press now than he did w/ anything off his first record, so that alone is a major coup.
― instafapper (J0rdan S.), Monday, 24 September 2012 18:02 (eleven years ago) link
He's made a ridiculous percentage of my favorite songs of the past couple years, but he hasn't quite mastered the album format.
― The Reverend, Monday, 24 September 2012 18:03 (eleven years ago) link
yeah i mean i'd buy that. i'm still rating 'channel orange' over this partly for that reason.
― instafapper (J0rdan S.), Monday, 24 September 2012 18:04 (eleven years ago) link
Ergo, he should just keep releasing lots of amazing EPs.
― The Reverend, Monday, 24 September 2012 18:04 (eleven years ago) link
― The Reverend, Monday, September 24, 2012 2:03 PM (53 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
damn, you gotta hand down that proclamation on high the day the album starts streaming?
― some dude, Monday, 24 September 2012 18:06 (eleven years ago) link
i think the one thing about frank's album (objectively speaking) is that it had this perfect confluence of the artist getting a lot of attention as a celebrity and is music that sounds more like the type of black music that critics have always loved. it's a very strong, singular album imo but it has a wider appeal to critics than, say, the-dream. it's a hip soul album, more or less
Yeah, I think that's fair. I was gushing over the Frank Ocean album with a music-critic friend last week, and he was explaining how Channel Orange was exactly the type of album he'd been waiting for, not from R&B per se, but just from a singer-songwriter in general. That album fills a really big hole
― Evan R, Monday, 24 September 2012 18:07 (eleven years ago) link
i guess i wouldn't say that he hasn't mastered the album format... one of my favorite things about this album is that i think all these different sounds make more sense when you hear them played straight through.
― instafapper (J0rdan S.), Monday, 24 September 2012 18:08 (eleven years ago) link
― some dude, Monday, September 24, 2012 11:06 AM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
I mean, obv I'll give it room to grow, but I don't like most of the new songs (including the ones from the previews) nearly as much as my favorite stuff from the ADCs and I think the whole vibe is a bit more predictable whereas ADC was all about surprises.
― The Reverend, Monday, 24 September 2012 18:10 (eleven years ago) link
oh i think this album is way better than ADC. i mean those have the bangers but there was also some filler, intentional (reused tracks) and not ("party life"). this is dope all the way thru even tho it tails off a bit towards the end.
― instafapper (J0rdan S.), Monday, 24 September 2012 18:13 (eleven years ago) link
for me now, like, now that "adorn" and "arch n point" are on this album, the only things i'll play off of the EPs are "...alll" (which wouldn't have fit on the album) and the OG version of "candles"
― instafapper (J0rdan S.), Monday, 24 September 2012 18:14 (eleven years ago) link
I still play "That I Do", "Gravity", and "Party Life" a hell of a lot in addition to those (other than "Candles", which is just whatever in both versions). I do think I like ADC as a project more than Kaleidoscope Dream.
― The Reverend, Monday, 24 September 2012 18:17 (eleven years ago) link
Then again, only Kaleidoscope Dream has the third minute of "Adorn"...
― The Reverend, Monday, 24 September 2012 18:18 (eleven years ago) link
I'll add some enthusiasm to the pot: This record rules. It sounds nothing if not masterly to me, including the new songs ("Pussy" aside). I loved AIWIY, too, but that album was all over the place. This one covers as much ground without feeling so scattered.
I come from a different perspective than the Rev, though. The album is important to me as a format, and this is a great album.
― Evan R, Monday, 24 September 2012 18:18 (eleven years ago) link
8. “Where’s the Fun in Forever?”9. “Arch & Point”
A+ album sequencing here (had nearly worn out the latter but once it kicked in, it suddenly seemed fresh)
― Andy K, Monday, 24 September 2012 18:20 (eleven years ago) link
"all" is definitely the ADC exclusive that i keep going back to
― some dude, Monday, 24 September 2012 18:21 (eleven years ago) link
I do think this album is better than AIWIY, which never really clicked with me beyond the singles despite my best efforts.
― The Reverend, Monday, 24 September 2012 18:22 (eleven years ago) link
This one covers as much ground without feeling so scattered.
I agree with this, but I think part of my reservations stem from it being a bit too singular in its vibe? It could use a wild curveball or two.
― The Reverend, Monday, 24 September 2012 18:25 (eleven years ago) link
Pu$$y song is so lame and pointless, idk. The rest is cool though.
― Nickelback of folk (Spottie_Ottie_Dope), Monday, 24 September 2012 18:28 (eleven years ago) link
I certainly appreciate a good album! But I don't consider it sacrosanct, no. I probably prefer the EP as a format at this point. I suspect Miguel does, too.
― The Reverend, Monday, 24 September 2012 18:29 (eleven years ago) link
"...All" is second only to "Arch n Point" in replay value on my iPod, so unless he sticks it on a comp eventually its lack of availability will probably add to its aura.
― taking tiger mountain (up the butt) (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 24 September 2012 18:33 (eleven years ago) link
― The Reverend, Monday, September 24, 2012 2:25 PM (12 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
i think there are at least a couple songs on here that could be considered a 'wild curveball' if the whole album was being heard for the first time at once
― some dude, Monday, 24 September 2012 18:39 (eleven years ago) link
the "I didn't realize we were recording" framing device is kind of infuriating. would have preferred a fully orchestrated/ gospel choired "broads"
― rob, Monday, 24 September 2012 18:40 (eleven years ago) link