― Lethal Dizzle (djdee2005), Tuesday, 19 April 2005 23:45 (nineteen years ago) link
The first single didn't do much for me.
"With her last album, Mariah Carey has gone from awful (Adult Contemporary) to even worse (contemporary hip-hop-influenced R&B)"
Wasn't this true from Butterfly onwards though? I remember "Honey" being the decisive step towards "hip-hop-influenced R&B".
― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Wednesday, 20 April 2005 01:15 (nineteen years ago) link
― David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 20 April 2005 02:01 (nineteen years ago) link
― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Wednesday, 20 April 2005 09:26 (nineteen years ago) link
― pete b. (pete b.), Wednesday, 20 April 2005 09:34 (nineteen years ago) link
― Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Wednesday, 20 April 2005 10:34 (nineteen years ago) link
Dan Perry OTM in 2001.
― scott seward (scott seward), Wednesday, 20 April 2005 10:40 (nineteen years ago) link
― Mr. Snrub (Mr. Snrub), Wednesday, 20 April 2005 11:01 (nineteen years ago) link
― Jams Murphy (ystrickler), Wednesday, 20 April 2005 13:06 (nineteen years ago) link
search: Mariah Careywhen you find her: DESTROY! DESTROY! EXTERMINATE! EXTERMINATE!
― Neil FC (Neil FC), Wednesday, 20 April 2005 13:14 (nineteen years ago) link
― nathalie doing a soft foot shuffle (stevie nixed), Wednesday, 20 April 2005 13:21 (nineteen years ago) link
― edward o (edwardo), Wednesday, 20 April 2005 13:22 (nineteen years ago) link
&, yeah, to piggyback SS's endorsement of Pope Dang, "Vision of Love" makes her first album.
― David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 20 April 2005 13:25 (nineteen years ago) link
May I direct you to "Knockin' Boots" by Candyman, in which he decides to "break off a bottle of Asti Spumanti, pop off the top, and rock with my posse."
― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 21 April 2005 14:10 (nineteen years ago) link
― Baaderonixxxorzh (Fabfunk), Thursday, 21 April 2005 14:18 (nineteen years ago) link
Yeah, I pulled that "five year" thing out of the buttocks - I'd love to know when it ("Bacardi / party") first popped up, tho.
― David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 21 April 2005 14:21 (nineteen years ago) link
Destroy: "Hero," "The Beautiful Ones" cover w/ Sisqo
― Eric von H. (Eric H.), Thursday, 21 April 2005 14:28 (nineteen years ago) link
― Schwip Schwap (schwip schwap), Thursday, 21 April 2005 14:30 (nineteen years ago) link
― Jams Murphy (ystrickler), Thursday, 21 April 2005 14:34 (nineteen years ago) link
― Schwip Schwap (schwip schwap), Thursday, 21 April 2005 14:36 (nineteen years ago) link
― Eric von H. (Eric H.), Thursday, 21 April 2005 14:38 (nineteen years ago) link
― Lethal Dizzle (djdee2005), Thursday, 21 April 2005 14:38 (nineteen years ago) link
― Eric von H. (Eric H.), Thursday, 21 April 2005 14:39 (nineteen years ago) link
― Schwip Schwap (schwip schwap), Thursday, 21 April 2005 14:40 (nineteen years ago) link
― Schwip Schwap (schwip schwap), Thursday, 21 April 2005 14:41 (nineteen years ago) link
Most of these ballads I'm bitching about, now that I think about it, are more from R&B-influenced folks (cf. teenypop) than from actual R&B artists (though I'm not sure such a distinction means a damn thing).
Conclusion: I'm full of it; carry on.
― David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 21 April 2005 14:43 (nineteen years ago) link
― Schwip Schwap (schwip schwap), Thursday, 21 April 2005 14:45 (nineteen years ago) link
― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 21 April 2005 14:58 (nineteen years ago) link
Sorta on-topic (& I swear I've brought this up before): there's a bit during The Kings of Comedy where Steve Harvey goes off on how no one does love songs anymore, & it's all blustery dick-swinging bullshit (my words, not his). & then they put on some Teddy Pendergrass, & most of the people in the crowd stand up, & SH is yelling at people that haven't moved - "STAND THE F*CK UP!" (again, my words) - & he's kicking over the small endtable on stage & the mic stand & he's FEELING IT, lipsynching and swaying, and Spike Lee cuts to women in the audience, clutching their hands to their chest and singing & swaying along. &, yeah, he might have a point, but then love's changed a bit, too, Steve, so the woo you pitch isn't going to be the woo your son or daughter pitches (though it's coming from the same place).
Is "ballad" (musically speaking) a matter of tempo & sound or of subject matter?
― David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 21 April 2005 15:05 (nineteen years ago) link
― Jams Murphy (ystrickler), Thursday, 21 April 2005 15:06 (nineteen years ago) link
― David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 21 April 2005 15:08 (nineteen years ago) link
― Schwip Schwap (schwip schwap), Thursday, 21 April 2005 15:09 (nineteen years ago) link
― David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 21 April 2005 15:13 (nineteen years ago) link
― Schwip Schwap (schwip schwap), Thursday, 21 April 2005 15:14 (nineteen years ago) link
― Jams Murphy (ystrickler), Thursday, 21 April 2005 15:17 (nineteen years ago) link
― Jams Murphy (ystrickler), Thursday, 21 April 2005 15:19 (nineteen years ago) link
― Schwip Schwap (schwip schwap), Thursday, 21 April 2005 15:21 (nineteen years ago) link
― Jams Murphy (ystrickler), Thursday, 21 April 2005 15:24 (nineteen years ago) link
― Baaderonixxxorzh (Fabfunk), Thursday, 21 April 2005 15:25 (nineteen years ago) link
― Schwip Schwap (schwip schwap), Thursday, 21 April 2005 15:27 (nineteen years ago) link
Um, OK?
― David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 21 April 2005 15:45 (nineteen years ago) link
― Schwip Schwap (schwip schwap), Thursday, 21 April 2005 15:54 (nineteen years ago) link
yeah the mary j version of "hate it or love it" came on the dancefloor at this hip hop club in Seattle while I was there with my newfound EMP pals and it was lush and pretty damn heart-tuggin' -- a great song . . .
― Drew Daniel (Drew Daniel), Thursday, 21 April 2005 16:02 (nineteen years ago) link
I really wish that people would actually have some clue as to what they were talking about before uccumbing to the impluse to say stupid, ignorant bullshit.
― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 21 April 2005 16:22 (nineteen years ago) link
― j blount (papa la bas), Thursday, 21 April 2005 16:25 (nineteen years ago) link
― Jams Murphy (ystrickler), Thursday, 21 April 2005 16:26 (nineteen years ago) link
― j blount (papa la bas), Thursday, 21 April 2005 16:27 (nineteen years ago) link
also, going along with what i wrote on the blog about mimi, "it's like that" isn't even a mariah song -- it's such a mary j track! (the weirdest thing on the disc is jermaine dupri's nelly impersonation on "got your number").
― Jams Murphy (ystrickler), Thursday, 21 April 2005 16:28 (nineteen years ago) link
Can't find it, but wasn't there a thing that went around tumblr (inspired by the rumored existence of this album, I think) about how people who think Kurt Cobain wrote Live Through This are overlooking that it was actually Mariah?
― swing out sister: live in new donk city (geoffreyess), Tuesday, 29 September 2020 22:02 (three years ago) link
I didn't find anything in Lexis Nexis from before this weekend.
― πΊποΈ (peace, man), Wednesday, 30 September 2020 10:38 (three years ago) link
If there had been any knowledge of Mariah's involvement in the Chick album prior to this weekend, the price for it would've gone up a long time ago. This was new news.
― Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 30 September 2020 11:54 (three years ago) link
Find it impressive she managed to sit on this secret for 25 years.
― βββ (Moka), Wednesday, 30 September 2020 12:49 (three years ago) link
Found it! (in this old tweet I liked)
this is mine pic.twitter.com/T0WSyfVxTx
Doesn't mention Chick specifically, but I wondered why this news seemed familiar. Not sure what interview is being cited, though.
― swing out sister: live in new donk city (geoffreyess), Wednesday, 30 September 2020 18:20 (three years ago) link
lol @ that final point
― I Hate the Aedes (morrisp), Wednesday, 30 September 2020 18:26 (three years ago) link
My bff has ordered The Meaning Of Mariah and is listening to it as an audiobook rn and says it is completely amazing, that Mariah has gone through some unspeakably insane shit and she retells this stories with an "...awkward! lol" kind of off-handedness that is devastating. He's gonna lend me the hard copy when it arrives and I can't wait
― flamboyant goon tie included, Wednesday, 30 September 2020 18:35 (three years ago) link
I really wish I could find a CMJ review on Google books or something.
β I Hate the Aedes (morrisp), Tuesday, September 29, 2020 11:54 AM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink
Billboard reviewed the single.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ei8SjAHXcAAMrDs?format=png&name=small
― jaymc, Wednesday, 30 September 2020 19:23 (three years ago) link
Nice find!! (and pretty on-point blurb)
― I Hate the Aedes (morrisp), Wednesday, 30 September 2020 19:34 (three years ago) link
Nice work, jaymc!
― πΊποΈ (peace, man), Wednesday, 30 September 2020 19:51 (three years ago) link
I didn't find it! Annie Zaleski posted it on Twitter.
― jaymc, Wednesday, 30 September 2020 20:11 (three years ago) link
Those cultural refs are perfectly aligned with what bands like Bunnygrunt were singing about that same year ('70s kitsch, cheesy TV, etc.)
― I Hate the Aedes (morrisp), Wednesday, 30 September 2020 20:13 (three years ago) link
Pitchfork talked to a few people about the recording/release of the Chick album: https://pitchfork.com/thepitch/the-story-behind-mariah-careys-secret-90s-alt-rock-album/
― like a d4mn sociopath! (morrisp), Sunday, 23 May 2021 04:04 (three years ago) link