"The Red Telephone" by a nose over "You Set the Scene"
― Dr Morbius, Friday, 5 October 2007 17:19 (sixteen years ago) link
OTM Dr Morbius!
― butchy, Sunday, 7 October 2007 04:08 (sixteen years ago) link
I'm gonna go with "Maybe the People..." slightly over "A House Is Not a Motel."
― Tim Ellison, Sunday, 7 October 2007 04:21 (sixteen years ago) link
yes, Morbs got it just about right xpost
― gershy, Sunday, 7 October 2007 04:22 (sixteen years ago) link
Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.
― ILX System, Monday, 8 October 2007 23:01 (sixteen years ago) link
Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.
― ILX System, Tuesday, 9 October 2007 23:01 (sixteen years ago) link
what?
― Zeno, Tuesday, 9 October 2007 23:07 (sixteen years ago) link
I missed this. But probably would have gone for "Alone Again Or" anyway.
― Geir Hongro, Tuesday, 9 October 2007 23:11 (sixteen years ago) link
"old man" is a much better maclean song. )and where is the love for "daily planet")
― Zeno, Tuesday, 9 October 2007 23:13 (sixteen years ago) link
I voted for "Daily Planet"!
― Myonga Vön Bontee, Wednesday, 10 October 2007 00:55 (sixteen years ago) link
But I couldn't be unhappy with any set of results
― Myonga Vön Bontee, Wednesday, 10 October 2007 00:57 (sixteen years ago) link
I wanted to stage a rally or protest since my pick A House is Not A Motel didn't win. But I can't really complain since I liked all the candidates and feel that each gave their best effort and to lose to both You Set the Scene and Alone Again Or means that most people who voted probably got to the end of the album and that's very encouraging for all of us as we move into the future together.
Thank You. Now, c'mon, isn't it about time some wiseacre comes along and tells us why Reel to Real or whatever it's called is the REAL masterpiece. I'm game.
― smurfherder, Wednesday, 10 October 2007 05:06 (sixteen years ago) link
So any road: Now there's a "Collectors Edition" due shortly.
Disc 1 = Original stereo mix
Disc 2 = Stereo mix made in 1970 and used ever since, and also some extra tracks:
12. Wonder People (I Do Wonder) [outtake/previously unreleased] 13. Hummingbirds [demo/previously unreleased] 14. House Is Not A Motel [backing track/previously unreleased] 15. Andmoreagain [alt. electric backing track/previously unreleased] 16. Red Telephone 17. Woolly Bully [outtake/previously unreleased] 18. Alone Again Or [mono single mix] 19. Your Mind And We Belong Together [tracking sessions highlights] 20. Your Mind And We Belong Together 21. Laughing Stock
― Mark G, Tuesday, 1 April 2008 14:11 (sixteen years ago) link
Woolly Bully [outtake/previously unreleased]
I'm thinking I could probably live without this
― Tom D., Tuesday, 1 April 2008 14:15 (sixteen years ago) link
Well, I have the FC CD with the extra tracks, which are most of those, a Forever Changes Concert CD and DVD also, and I also got the original mono vinyl recently.
I think I'll make do with the downloads.
― Mark G, Tuesday, 1 April 2008 14:18 (sixteen years ago) link
-- Tom D., Tuesday, April 1, 2008 3:15 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Link
hahaha yep. paid for this TWICE now, that's yer lot.
― banriquit, Tuesday, 1 April 2008 14:19 (sixteen years ago) link
I'd be interesting to hear a mix of "Alone Again Or" with Bryan MacLean's lead vocal intact, before it was wiped, but that probably doesn't even exist anymore. So yeah, this looks pretty damn redundant. They managed to fit most of that stuff on a single disc last time 'round...
― Myonga Vön Bontee, Tuesday, 1 April 2008 14:51 (sixteen years ago) link
I've owned this 3 times but not buying it again.
― Herman G. Neuname, Tuesday, 1 April 2008 14:54 (sixteen years ago) link
I'd be interesting to hear a mix of "Alone Again Or" with Bryan MacLean's lead vocal intact, before it was wiped, but that probably doesn't even exist anymore.
Closest you can get is his solo version from 1972
― Elvis Telecom, Tuesday, 1 April 2008 15:04 (sixteen years ago) link
Really? Never even heard of that! Oh, and I meant to say "IT'D be interesting". Or "I'd be interested", that works too.
I've owned it FOUR times since '86! ($0.25 for my first one, which had no cover.)
― Myonga Vön Bontee, Tuesday, 1 April 2008 15:07 (sixteen years ago) link
I've owned it three times - vinyl in 86 (the weird pressing which didn't fade out "A house is not a motel" so it just solo-d and solo-d until it just STOPPED - anyone else have this?), CD in 88 and remastered CD a few years back. My brother had original mono and stereo LPs, both CDs I had, and the "Love Story" double CD which had it in full as well.
On the one hand, my heart is thinking it's a good idea and I'd probably want it. On the other hand, my head (and wallet) are saying "Why bother?"
― Rob M v2, Tuesday, 1 April 2008 15:14 (sixteen years ago) link
(the weird pressing which didn't fade out "A house is not a motel" so it just solo-d and solo-d until it just STOPPED - anyone else have this?)
I had this. I thought that's what it did on the original record? I thought it was changed to the fadeout for later reissues (like not fading out the title track on "Marquee Moon" - boo!)
― Tom D., Tuesday, 1 April 2008 15:17 (sixteen years ago) link
Apparantly not. The real version fades out, but there were pressings made in the 80s which didn't fade out. In fact it makes for a better ending, I think.
― Rob M v2, Tuesday, 1 April 2008 15:19 (sixteen years ago) link
Are you sure?
― Tom D., Tuesday, 1 April 2008 15:21 (sixteen years ago) link
Absolutely. That's why my brother ended up buying the original mono and stereo LPs, to find out. I had my weird pressing first, then bought "Love Masters" which had the faded version, which intrigued me and my brother enough to get the original albums (he found them before I did). I remember reading about the weird pressing a few years back in a Fred Dellar page in Mojo or something like that. The full 'unfaded' version has never been issued on CD.
― Rob M v2, Tuesday, 1 April 2008 15:26 (sixteen years ago) link
Strange! I prefer the abrupt ending too!
― Tom D., Tuesday, 1 April 2008 15:27 (sixteen years ago) link
So, presumably, one of the discs will have this unfaded version.
Presumably two, track 14 (instrumental version) will not fade at the end...
― Mark G, Tuesday, 1 April 2008 15:28 (sixteen years ago) link
so far on the extra disc--more piano in some cases, vocal mixes different, etc. "Wolly Bully" is cool; and it is only too bad that Love did not do it as a rock n roll tune instead of the folk-rock they play it as. on the other hand, Arthur Lee doing Sam the Sham and being a little embarrassed about it, therefore rendering it as folk-rock singalong, reminds me of his fellow Memphis native Alex Chilton doing the Kinks on Third. concept. FC is a great album.
― whisperineddhurt, Tuesday, 1 April 2008 17:05 (sixteen years ago) link
But is there a version of "A house is not a motel" that doesn't fade out???
― Rob M v2, Tuesday, 1 April 2008 18:20 (sixteen years ago) link
who is "Andmoreagain" written about?
one of Arthur Lee's girlfriends wasn't it...?
― Drugs A. Money, Tuesday, 1 April 2008 18:45 (sixteen years ago) link
It's on the Ifyoubelievein CD that came out a couple years back http://www.bryanmaclean.com/album/ifyoubelieveinalbum.htm
― Elvis Telecom, Tuesday, 1 April 2008 19:04 (sixteen years ago) link
and the "Love Story" double CD which had it in full as well
Shit, I totally forgot about that one...Alright, I've bought Forever Changes FIVE times! No more, I swear.
― Myonga Vön Bontee, Tuesday, 1 April 2008 22:08 (sixteen years ago) link
This latest version is on Rhapsody, so I finally got to hear it (wasn't going to buy another reissue either).
What's funny is that while the alternate mix definitely isn't "better" or anything, it's different enough from what I'm used to that it's letting me hear the album w/somewhat fresh ears. Kinda wish that alternate mixes like this existed for a lot of other albums that I've played to death.
― dlp9001, Monday, 3 August 2009 19:44 (fourteen years ago) link
Wonder if it's on Spotify. I've owned this album at least 4 times and I don't really want to buy it again whether it's my fave album of all time or not.
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Monday, 3 August 2009 19:58 (fourteen years ago) link
it's different enough from what I'm used to that it's letting me hear the album w/somewhat fresh ears
so truei heard the instrumental a house is not a motel and it was one of those things where the slightest variation means you're seeing something anew. so great
― the heart is a lonely hamster (schlump), Tuesday, 4 August 2009 01:27 (fourteen years ago) link
urgh, please stop, you are making me want to buy this deluxe edition. maybe i can just d/l from itunes ... like other people on this thread, i already own Forever Changes in multiple formats ...
― tylerw, Tuesday, 4 August 2009 03:18 (fourteen years ago) link
by the time that I'm through singin'the bells from the schools of walls will be ringin'more confusionblood transfusionsthe news today will be the movies of tomorrowand the waters turn to bloodand if you don't think sogo turn on your tub
― scaruffi kaleidoscope (Drugs A. Money), Wednesday, 20 October 2010 01:13 (thirteen years ago) link
down on door-stop boulevard itnever fails to bring me downthe sirens and the accidents andfor a laugh, there's plastic nancyshe's real fancywith her childrenthey'll go far, shebuys them toys tokeep in practiceWaiting on the war...
― scaruffi kaleidoscope (Drugs A. Money), Wednesday, 20 October 2010 02:11 (thirteen years ago) link
(had I voted, I would've voted ^this)
― scaruffi kaleidoscope (Drugs A. Money), Wednesday, 20 October 2010 02:15 (thirteen years ago) link
What is happening and how have you been?
― buzza, Wednesday, 20 October 2010 03:08 (thirteen years ago) link
doing...good...?
― scaruffi kaleidoscope (Drugs A. Money), Wednesday, 20 October 2010 03:28 (thirteen years ago) link
sorry for the revive, just been listening to this album and wanted to invite others to sing along to choice parts...
(the attention does feel kind of nice though)
― scaruffi kaleidoscope (Drugs A. Money), Wednesday, 20 October 2010 03:39 (thirteen years ago) link
Making me want to listen again tbh
― Trip Maker, Wednesday, 20 October 2010 03:45 (thirteen years ago) link
life goes on hereday after dayi don't know if i am livingor if i'm supposed to besometimes my life is so eerieand if you think i'm happypaint me (yellow) white
― scaruffi kaleidoscope (Drugs A. Money), Wednesday, 20 October 2010 06:19 (thirteen years ago) link
Disc 1 = Original stereo mixDisc 2 = Stereo mix made in 1970 and used ever since― Mark G, Tuesday, 1 April 2008 14:11 (3 years ago)
Disc 2 = Stereo mix made in 1970 and used ever since
― Mark G, Tuesday, 1 April 2008 14:11 (3 years ago)
Is this right? This mix is so different and not preferable in my opinion. What versions of the album used this mix previously?
― timellison, Tuesday, 31 May 2011 17:48 (thirteen years ago) link
I guess it would make sense if the mix did come from 1970. The acoustic guitars cannot carry this album, though.
Kind of shocked to find out this is the version a lot of people have been listening to for a long time.
― timellison, Tuesday, 31 May 2011 18:16 (thirteen years ago) link
i wonder if the vinyl version my older brother had was the original mix. i remember listening to it for the first time, and the guitars on "live and let live" just leaping out of the speaker, which i don't feel like i've experienced with the rhino reissue from around 2000 or so.
― tylerw, Tuesday, 31 May 2011 18:21 (thirteen years ago) link
The clips on iTunes will give you a good idea. The acoustic guitars are separated and dominate the stereo field much more on the "alternate mix."
― timellison, Tuesday, 31 May 2011 18:32 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah i'll check 'em out.
― tylerw, Tuesday, 31 May 2011 18:34 (thirteen years ago) link
OK, just reading about it and I don't think the "alternate mix" was actually used before. The story about it is interesting:
http://www.stevehoffman.tv/forums/archive/index.php/t-235272.html
― timellison, Tuesday, 31 May 2011 19:38 (thirteen years ago) link
tbf a lot of great albums were made by late 60s hipster scenester doofuses just trying to get chicks
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 9 August 2018 20:58 (five years ago) link
lol otm
― tylerw, Thursday, 9 August 2018 20:59 (five years ago) link
70s, 80s, 90s hipster doofuses as well.
Live and Let Live deserved better than one vote here.
― kornrulez6969, Thursday, 9 August 2018 22:11 (five years ago) link
I know, but I seem to remember this lot was trying to say the album was trash because of that.
― outside, you're never alone. (Austin), Friday, 10 August 2018 03:11 (five years ago) link
It was extremely try-hard and had nothing to do with the actual music.
― outside, you're never alone. (Austin), Friday, 10 August 2018 03:14 (five years ago) link
“Andmoreagain” always seems to me to be some kind of El Lay take on a British folk thing, like their version of “Fotheringay” or something.
― Groovy Situation Vacant (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 20 May 2022 00:23 (two years ago) link
I just got this album in March.
― Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 20 May 2022 00:27 (two years ago) link
You just got a hold of it or you just “got” it, as in understood it?
― Groovy Situation Vacant (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 20 May 2022 00:28 (two years ago) link
One of the many things I love about this record:
- side 1 ends with a repeated i - I progression - stasis- side 2 ends with a repeated V - I progression - completion
― Halfway there but for you, Friday, 20 May 2022 03:29 (two years ago) link
Still have not heard that version of “A House Is Not a Motel” with the sudden stop, predating “I Want You (She’s So Heavy)” by a good two years. That’s how the song originally was supposed to end but they were talked out of it by Elektra. HOWEVER, it did appear on some obscure ‘80s Canadian pressing of the album.
― Mr. Snrub, Monday, 23 May 2022 11:29 (two years ago) link
The version I had must have been obscure and Canadian in that case... except I'm pretty sure it wasn't.
― Doodles Diamond (Tom D.), Monday, 23 May 2022 13:06 (two years ago) link
When I bought a vinyl reissue of Forever Changes in England in the 1980s , it definitely had the sudden stop version of A House is Not a Motel and for a long time I thought that was the ONLY version.
― Ward Fowler, Monday, 23 May 2022 13:13 (two years ago) link
This fan remix/remaster is pretty awesome
https://www.profstoned.com/2022/08/love-forever-changes-remixed-prof.html
― SQUIRREL MEAT!! (Capitaine Jay Vee), Saturday, 13 August 2022 20:39 (one year ago) link