amanda palmer's open poem to jonathan chait (and other crimes)

Self-sufficiency is basically in opposition to the idea of some kind of social contract, no?

i don't think it has to be

She definitely works hard at seeming hard-working.

i'm with albini on that i think. a lot of this stuff just seems needless and kinda gross. albini has never glutted the market with his own stuff too and i appreciate that.

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if anything this whole conversation shows me that -- even amongst liberals -- the long-term effects of the right portraying the left as spoiled babies for many decades has affected how we view things to the point where we feel like anyone who espouses hard work or self-sufficiency might be right wing....

This may have been the most distressing aspect of this thread for me.

and i don't want mitt obviously but it just seems like people go way out of their way to churn shit out that people don't really need. like, now more than ever. and frugal is a good word. back to frugality is a good movement to be a part of.

i can't believe steve albini has a latin signature. on his own message board.

yeah there might something to that.

i think it's more an expectations thing -- after hearing that kind of talk as code for so long i mentally append "(so fuck you, die)" to the end of it

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The only real difference is that Albini is arguing for frugality.

i don't think palmer getting grief because she spends a lot

Self-sufficiency is basically in opposition to the idea of some kind of social contract, no?

I don't get this. Even the idea of a free market requires some kind of social contract. And equating the free market with self-sufficiency requires some fundamental assumptions.

I don't intend to turn this into a politics thread though.

albini is from montana, right? they've got that whole live free or die thing too. he's entertaining even when being jerky. he's naturally jerky.

uh, i didn't say that steve is a libertarian (or conservative or a Ron Paul guy or w/e), just that the self-sufficiency über alles slant of that particular passage sounds like the kind of thing libertarians go for. jeez louise.

oh now you're going to slander louise too??

people are questioning her numbers, but only because she's claiming to be cash-poor re: on-stage assistance. if she was simply living wastefully, albini would likely slot her in with every major label band he takes to the bank when they want him to record them.

Most libertarian's politics are pretty self-focussed - give them a "get out of paying taxes" card and they'll melt away. But even if Steve Albini got everything he personally wants (and I get the impression he has?), he'll still have strong views on What You're Doing Wrong.

Look who's back!

https://twitter.com/Discographies/status/247728329065644033

damn

I just feel like frugality, self-sufficiency and hard work are all values that can be very individually beneficial. But it's NAGL when you start to judge other people's personal standards of frugality, self-sufficiency, or work.

i'm pretty sure that's all i'm going to be doing w/r/t romney.

"you didn't make any taxable income, mitt? why don't you get a real job?" etc...

It makes me annoyed b/c a statement so obviously tied to DIY punk aesthetics didn't seem to ring any bells. DIY is more than Beat Happening and Portlandia jokes, even if 21st-c. poptimism and Brooklyn neo-cons are working hard to make you feel otherwise. (I realize this is strawmanning but like jeez)

xp to @discographies post, uh, "whoa", somebody just won the game

"you didn't make any taxable income, mitt? why don't you get a real job?" etc...

slight difference between judging the work ethic of somebody you're evaluating for a job vs. some random person.

this is DIY, we do what we like

just to be clear the ron paul Vibe that steve albini emits has less to do w/ the self-sufficiency thing and more to do with him being a nerdy engineering-obsessed skinny jean shorts-wearing white dude whos said and done some questionable things w/r/t women and ppl of color and named a band after a really gross anime character

lol

a nerdy engineering-obsessed skinny jean shorts-wearing white dude

:/

done some questionable things

??

at least I don't wear jean shorts I guess

i just mean i dont want to get into an argument about whether or not naming yr band "rapeman" is misogynistic but i think we can all agree its "questionable"

slight difference between judging the work ethic of somebody you're evaluating for a job vs. some random person.

"some random person" is a weird way to describe a musical artist who publicizes and celebrates her economic model on the internet

named a band after a really gross anime character

Or in Ron Paul's case, a son.

also i think 'self-sufficiency' is a kind of gross phrase, sorry!

albini def has done more than his fair share of baiting, cutesy devil's advocate bullshit but i give him points for showing more soul and sympathy as he's aged, even if he still clearly pats himself on the back for not tolerating fools.

dude whos said and done some questionable things w/r/t women and ppl of color and named a band after a really gross anime character

― max, Monday, September 17, 2012 3:20 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

just saying you cited rapeman seperately and and things he's SAID seperately, so just seemed like the "done" part came off as a bit more serious accusation

please consider this post my Official Apology to steve albini for implying that he is a weirdo racist who votes for ron paul, he is just a weirdo

glad you figured it out

ps big black sucks

for penance you must post 10 nice things about Jesus Lizard on ILM today

big black are better than sting & also jazzier, more soulful

*fingersnaps*

"This is Jordan...yeah baby, this is how we do."

they also made a profit on literally every tour they undertook which is why they're at the vanguard of culture
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only libertarians like noise music in which all instruments are self sufficient and independent from one another as well as statist concepts like tune, hook, melody, harmony, 'sounding good'

thanks Geir

Roland voted for Reagan

"music in which all instruments are self sufficient and independent from one another as well as statist concepts like tune, hook, melody, harmony, 'sounding good'"

Wait when did we start talking the Minutemen?

Did David Lynch also vote for Reagan? Missoula, Montana connection...

Wait when did we start talking the Minutemen?

1980

actually Roland was probably not a US citizen

Wait Robo?

how many active politics threads do we have now?