amanda palmer's open poem to jonathan chait (and other crimes)

That's what I meant, at least. Yeah Albini reads like he's Ron Paul but he's not, I just think he just doesn't get the same pleasure in listening to Guns n Roses that other people do

would the hamburglar eat your burger and then sell you the empty box via online auction y/n?

(I kind of assumed that both Palmer and Albini are Democrats fwiw.)

xpost to self

Valuing self-sufficiency != libertarianism

Clearly the future is in getting your fans to buy your empty wine bottles for hundreds of dollars.

Steve's preference toward "self-sufficiency" and Amanda's preference toward "hamburglery"

struggled manfully not to irl lol at work, barely succeeded

Big babies. She didn’t say you would make $19,000, but that you can. Stop your whining and get a fanbase and then you could use her methods to make some cash too. I’m imagining that other artists (web comics, etc.) could use this template too. Twitter has no overhead and won’t cut into your profits like an established record label (full of deadwood sucking at the teat of the artists actually creating things).
Great way to think outside the establishment Amanda!

"stop your whining and get a fanbase" aha that's where we've all been going wrong

I think Ron Paul would be down with GNR. There isn't the weird discordance as with Paul Ryan's championing of RATM.

I want to find this Daryl and verify that he did in fact purchase an empty bottle of wine for $340
If so, I'm gonna see what he'll give me for these water-damaged records, this empty jar of valtrex

"An extension of their art practice" does not equal "reflective of their actual political beliefs".

That's true, but when it extends into passing judgement on other people's financial habits it goes a little beyond "art practice." It just seemed like an off topic line to take because I don't think Albini or anybody really believes that she doesn't have the money right? It distracts from the central message which should have been "pay your musicians" not some kind of "book your own fuckin life" fiscally conservative ideology.

Valuing self-sufficiency != libertarianism

― EveningStar (Sund4r), Monday, September 17, 2012 12:10 PM (6 minutes ago)

would say that it's one of contemporary american libertarianism's core principles, though. esp on the libertarian-as-republican end of the spectrum. don't ask for nothin, take care of your bidness, and keep your hands offa mine.

xp: I thought the point was more that if she raised that amount of money and genuinely did not have the budget to hire additional musicians to create the band she wanted, Albini's opinion is that she is grossly mismanaging her funds; he's making a rhetorical point based off of taking her statements at face-value.

He's just using that as a polite way to say "You are lying about how much all this costs".

Steve's preference toward "self-sufficiency" and Amanda's preference toward "hamburglery"

struggled manfully not to irl lol at work, barely succeeded

― Lewis Apparition (Jon Lewis), Monday, September 17, 2012 3:12 PM (13 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

hahaha I was about to post almost this exact same thing

albini strikes me as a ron paul guy, totally, also i assume amanda palmer writes in "flying spaghetti monster" or whatever terrible reddit meme is currently topping the charts

if he's calling her a grifter, that's just as mean (i think a bit more so) as calling her an idiot.
ron paul applauds grifterism though.

she'll vote for whoever is running on a platform of "free government-issued sweatpants, pizza and ponies, no tax on coffee"

so yeah, flying spaghetti monster i guess

xp: I thought the point was more that if she raised that amount of money and genuinely did not have the budget to hire additional musicians to create the band she wanted, Albini's opinion is that she is grossly mismanaging her funds; he's making a rhetorical point based off of taking her statements at face-value.

yeah, I got that and I actually agree with his personal approach to those things. I just thought the way he presented it was obnoxious. I'm pretty sure that even if she paid those musicians he would still find it distasteful that somebody would record an album for over $10k.

albini strikes me as a ron paul guy, totally

haha no way

and the little jab at studios who are going under was lame
xp

lol no way is albini a ron paul guy you guys are crazy

seriously

I didn't think it was even up for debate.

i've read albini's jabs at crazy studios somewhere -- they're pretty funny. he talks about a studio with a dude whose only job is to go around lighting candles. seems like it's in line with selling pre-bitten postcards.

albini from a thread on EA about paul ryan:

Re: Vampire: Paul Ryan
by steve on Tue Aug 14, 2012 3:53 pm

prewar wrote:
Dr. Geek wrote:
Want to stop immigrants from making their way into the country? Then remove all economic factors that force them into the country. Removing those that are undocumented will do nothing to curb immigration if those economic factors still exist.

Like I said, I want to eliminate the welfare state.

You're ignoring much greater economic pressures brought to bear by exploitative capitalism. The "welfare state" is an insignificant factor, otherwise places with more generous welfare provisions (Scandinavia, Europe) would be attracting all the immigration.
steve albini
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Re: Vampire: Paul Ryan
by steve on Wed Aug 15, 2012 1:20 am

Andrew. wrote:
Dems love a jackass troll distraction like peepeewar here to make themselves feel better and smarter, but as I've said, and Clyde has reinforced, the joke is on Democrats.

If right wingers didn't pop in and say stupid stuff all the time maybe they wouldn't be perceived as stupid.
Either conservatives are smarter than liberals, or liberals genuinely don't care about social inequality. I'm inclined to think the answer is both.

You're obviously talking about something here, but social inequality clearly isn't it. There isn't a single issue of social inequality where the party line conservative position is more progressive than the liberal default position. Not a single one.

So... what are you talking about?
steve albini
Electrical Audio
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Quicumque quattuor feles possidet insanus est.

Oh, so it's the old "both sides are the same" argument. Okay, I've been ignoring that for years. Since there's no viable and genuine progressive candidate for me to vote for, I'm going to vote and argue for the guy who can win and will do the least damage.

Womens' issues matter to me, so the Republicans are out.
LGBT equality matters to me, so the Republicans are out.
Access to health care matters, so the Republicans are out.
Having a nightmarish Supreme Court majority for the rest of my life...

You get the point. There is not going to be a candidate that represents me and my perspective, and I'm adult enough to accept that. Characterizing me and my liberal-to-radical friends as ignoring our reality is silly.

We know there isn't much difference between career politician on the "left" and the "right," but the space between them is where we live.
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jeezus, all the Paulisms are overwhelming

"Womens' issues matter to me" just SCREAMS libertarian

im going off of Vibe, not something inconsequential like message board posts

would steve albini be a valuable ILX poster y/n? I know he would never do it, but still.

"Steve Albini and his Ron Paul Vibe" sounds like the worst possible fan-fiction

what did Steve Albini write for Vibe?

albini just strikes me as having that frugal, old-school, midwestern protestant work ethic approach toward life. I get flashes of my father in law lecturing me about not changing my own motor oil.

i think there's enough cross posters from the electrical forum that could ferry albini over if this is a desired thing.

if anything this whole conversation shows me that -- even amongst liberals -- the long-term effects of the right portraying the left as spoiled babies for many decades has affected how we view things to the point where we feel like anyone who espouses hard work or self-sufficiency might be right wing....

haha otm

otm

would steve albini be a valuable ILX poster y/n? I know he would never do it, but still.

here we are folks, the dream we all dream of, morbz vs steve in the world series of smug

Oh please.

"and what" would be the quintessential ILX anti-albini, really.

now that I think about it I'd rather have AFP on ILX than Albini; she's given us so much already

Albini wouldn't post here if you paid him, whereas AFP would only post here if we paid her

That was the first thing I thought of... xxp

what would be a fair price to chew up and mail a glass dildo

just wondering

"and what" would be the quintessential ILX anti-albini, really.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mM0-ZU8njdo

We know there isn't much difference between career politician on the "left" and the "right," but the space between them is where we live.

great line!

ftr i wasn't saying that "everything i know about albini says he's a libertarian", just "this one line of his sounds like things libertarians say." but i'm happy to be corrected and see those quotes about his worldview.

i can't believe how much disposable income there is to fund some of this stuff on kickstarter. maybe we do need mitt to hamburger everyone.

if anything this whole conversation shows me that -- even amongst liberals -- the long-term effects of the right portraying the left as spoiled babies for many decades has affected how we view things to the point where we feel like anyone who espouses hard work or self-sufficiency might be right wing....

Self-sufficiency is basically in opposition to the idea of some kind of social contract, no?

It's all relative. Palmer espouses self-sufficiency too in the form of freedom from a major label deal, and she seems pretty hardworking. The only real difference is that Albini is arguing for frugality. I think he sees that as a virtue in itself, so recordings shouldn't cost over $10k even if the person paying for it can afford it.

Self-sufficiency is basically in opposition to the idea of some kind of social contract, no?

i don't think it has to be