amanda palmer's open poem to jonathan chait (and other crimes)

What's ridiculous is that Kristin Hersh long ago figured out how to crowdfund her recordings in a much smarter, much more intimate and much more rewarding way for everyone involved, and as a result doesn't make a big THIS IS THE FUTURE deal out of it and doesn't take a ration of shit for it, either.

lol XP

How do you guys feel this compares to Kristin Hersh. She has a similar funding model.

afaik Kristin has never said she needs to raise a million dollars for ONE album. Also, she has never tried to recruit musicians with hugs and beer.

I think the point here isn't so much that using Kickstarter or soliciting donations from fans is a terrible way to fund your music

Something about it does feel a bit off to me tbh but I can't put my finger on why. I think that's part of why this discussion is so engrossing to me.

I'm trying to work out whether it's just because it's new and unfamiliar.

also i think it makes a difference that her stuff is the subscription kind of crowdfunding, rather than a series of individual big-tcket projects on a crowdfunding platform that is, as someone said upthread, ostensibly for kickstarting stuff, not career maintenance.

thread conflation has led to me getting GAIMAN STYLE stuck in my head for the last 20 minutes

heeeeeeeeey gothy lady

irl lol

Kickstarter is just, in most cases, a way to pre-sell your album. The good thing about Kickstarter projects is that they aren't open-ended. If you don't make the money in the allotted amount of time, then too bad. You get NOTHING.

The bad thing about Kickstarter is that the grassroots nature of it is being undermined by people using highly trained PR and marketing mercenaries to make sure the goals are reached, or by setting goals that are well beyond what the costs would/should actually be.

basically stay away from goths. those people are poison.

Pledge $2,500 or more

4 Backers Limited (1 of 5 left)

{6 DAYS OF NIGHT | ALL SHOWS} A "Golden Ticket" VIP experience for ALL five shows including 2 tickets to each, admission to soundcheck & meet and greets with Amanda and Neil, the best VIP seats in the house, EVERY piece of merch available (including all solo NG & AFP items, TBD), a special hug from Amanda & Neil for being SO supportive, and a tour laminate & lanyard + signed, personalized, and NUMBERED (of 100) limited edition "An Evening With…" CD set & poster + limited edition signed & numbered fine art print of AFP & NG, taken by Allan Amato + surprise from AFP & NG + digital download

thread has delivered so many times over. thank you amanda fucking palmer.

a special hug

is that code for a reacharound

I retract that joke, it's terrible

you can't retract a special hug

a special hug!

this does make me think that if I can somehow tap into the Amanda Palmer fan base I could do basically whatever the fuck I wanted as long as I'm willing to hug people

of the amanda palmer stories related itt, this getting fans to play for free thing actually seems the least bad (though that's not to say it's good, just compared to the ableist shit and the suicide-faking-and-reusing-on-record). it's not just the way she asked though, as people have said it's not like she's asking fans to be her full-time band for free, BUT it really sets off some massive and timely alarm bells about the expectation across too many industries of people being asked to donate their talents to get some nebulous unquantifiable non-money thing in return, like exposure or an experience or a platform. it's kind of like how i flinch when i see the word "volunteer" nowadays even though volunteering is a noble act to be encouraged - it's also exploited way too much for me to be comfortable with a scheme with it at its core

omg djp if you shaved your eyebrows and played ukelele on the beach

and on top of all that she really does seem like a huge attention-seeking faux-cutesy douche

I would kickstart smthg for a hug from Carly Rae Jepsen.

i once found myself on princess superstar's kickstarter page and among the things she was promising for larger sums were private internet shows :/

good times. http://www.villagevoice.com/2004-07-06/music/what-i-learned-about-germany/

hahahahahahaha Sterl

can we start some bizarro-world kickstarter site where people pledge to siphon money away from horrible people and their horrible projects?

sterling that is gold... 8-year-old gold, but gold.

Someone should start a Kickstarter w/ a $35000 goal and use it to pay the people who play with Amanda Palmer.

that is brilliant

haha

otm, best thing that's ever come out of the dresden dolls

Oh shit, genius!

(that last "otm" to amateurist)

tell Neil Gaiman how much you love "Sweet Caroline"

I have a long story about how insidious kickstarter really is that I can really only tell in person, but the short version is, there's a new state-of-the-art facility around here that has literally the most outrageous daily rates in the country, and when you hear the rate & flinch, they start explaining to you how kickstarter has revolutionized artists' ability to fund their projects, and you can have higher donors maybe come and watch you as you record, etc

So thanks to Kickstart, the cost of supplying a service shoots up, not just in response to increased demand by direct users of that service, but simply because the service provider is aware that Kickstart can be exploited to create a sense of financial assistance being required to pay for the service in question, which contributions would then indirectly supplement the overall demand, thus 'justifying', or at least making viable, the price rise. And given the willingness to play along by those who are less scrupulous &/or more desperate, they're right! Solely because of the existence of Kickstart. Talk about unintended consequences.

i don't think i can sum up how artistically gross and sort of tacky the whole thing seems to me in 140 characters

― listen to that wu-tang whistle blowin' (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, September 14, 2012 7:14 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i think if you're going to @ ppl on twitter w/ criticism under your govt name, you should be prepared to give a good fight

― c sharp major, Friday, September 14, 2012 2:19 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

ok i got in a fight w/him now, broke down the math

my twitter is @[FirstnameLastname]

oh man m@tt is schooling

damn dude

sandman getting sandbagged!

Folks, do you realize what a horrible joint CD/comic book is going to result from this when the two of them decide to fight back? IN SONG AND PROSE AND ART?

m@tt going ham

h3lges0nned

marillion were crowdfunding albums years ago, so it's hardly the future, in fact it's like 10 years old.

marillion!

tell 'em

I always felt bad for my irrational dislike of Amanda Palmer - knowing that it's wrong to intensely dislike someone just because of their weird eyebrows.

I feel okay now that I have some sense that she is, to paraphrase Maura, PT Barnuming her way to stardom.

The implicit grift of the expenditure is the most difficult thing to swallow. But that's all been said a bajillion times itt...so I'll just be happy that it's not just her eyebrows that bug me anymore, lol

amanda palmer is unlikeable because she is smug. and she calls herself "amanding FUCKING palmer' as if that word was so edgy, you know cussing is like, really pushing the boundaries

nah man, eyebrows