amanda palmer's open poem to jonathan chait (and other crimes)

"Is it true you would rather die than have Alzheimers?"

did he DM you or something?

xp

i just posted that night w.him and amanda palmer thing and said man can you guys abuse kickstarter more? and he's like

Neil Gaiman @neilhimself 1h
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we did the tour, recorded it, all the Kickstarter supporters got what they signed up for. This was a year ago.

i don't think i can sum up how artistically gross and sort of tacky the whole thing seems to me in 140 characters

Does Yancey even have access to kickstarter from his yacht he's got from all these sweet proceeds?

I have a long story about how insidious kickstarter really is that I can really only tell in person, but the short version is, there's a new state-of-the-art facility around here that has literally the most outrageous daily rates in the country, and when you hear the rate & flinch, they start explaining to you how kickstarter has revolutionized artists' ability to fund their projects, and you can have higher donors maybe come and watch you as you record, etc

I was just about to comment on how horrifying this is.

xpost to Mr Que

he lives in your town, too, bro. Watch out!

xpost to m@tt

tell him you loved "Good Omens"

― wtf where's my chapbook (DJP), Friday, September 14, 2012 2:06 PM (9 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

(but mostly for the Pratchett parts)

― wtf where's my chapbook (DJP),

Also this made me literally lol and got me funny looks at the office.

i don't think i can sum up how artistically gross and sort of tacky the whole thing seems to me in 140 characters

― listen to that wu-tang whistle blowin' (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, September 14, 2012 7:14 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

you don't have to respond to him, or you can just let him know you think it's tacky and gross. which it is.

but that sucks he's writing a book about you

For some reason, I thought Neil Gaiman was British.

i don't think i can sum up how artistically gross and sort of tacky the whole thing seems to me in 140 characters

― listen to that wu-tang whistle blowin' (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, September 14, 2012 7:14 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i think if you're going to @ ppl on twitter w/ criticism under your govt name, you should be prepared to give a good fight

I was just about to comment on how horrifying this is.

probably not the best business model either. "don't worry, you can afford us. just ask strangers on the internet for some money."

It's very intense - it's such an incredible facility, you see it and start to imagine all the possibilities. And then you find that you can get the room where they tracked Aja for half what they're asking. Consequently, no-one will ever record anything anybody cares about outside of super-niche audiences at this new place, most likely: it'll be vanity projects, bands with well-heeled backers (like swing revival stuff). It is a huge waste of half a decade's worth of construction and planning.

For some reason, I thought Neil Gaiman was British.

he is

How do you guys feel this compares to Kristin Hersh. She has a similar funding model.

http://kristinhersh.cashmusic.org/strangeangels/

neil gaiman is mad @ me on twitter and i don't know how to respond

Watch out for British Fonzie, I think you really made him mad.

"don't worry, you can afford us. just ask strangers on the internet for some money."

this is literally what they say btw. "we cost ____." "whoa wow, even if we're bringing our own engineer?" "yeah people don't need record companies to get that kind of budget any more -- people are doing it for themselves."

kind of the apotheosis of gross Marin County venture capitalist style in a way, talking about what's a huge gouge as if it were some great new vision

bands with well-heeled backers (like swing revival stuff)

blood just ran cold, thanks

"I'm really not so sure about this whole Amanda Palmer kickstarter deal," remarked Illinois policeman Uncle Shavedlongcock

OMG I love you even more for this.

Gaiman should get a Kickstarter going to buy more black leather jackets.

How do you guys feel this compares to Kristin Hersh. She has a similar funding model.

I think the point here isn't so much that using Kickstarter or soliciting donations from fans is a terrible way to fund your music; it's that Amanda Palmer seems to have grossly mismanaged her funds to the point where she can't hire musicians of the caliber she and her support act want for their tour, so she's asking people to play for free in some locations.

What's ridiculous is that Kristin Hersh long ago figured out how to crowdfund her recordings in a much smarter, much more intimate and much more rewarding way for everyone involved, and as a result doesn't make a big THIS IS THE FUTURE deal out of it and doesn't take a ration of shit for it, either.

lol XP

How do you guys feel this compares to Kristin Hersh. She has a similar funding model.

afaik Kristin has never said she needs to raise a million dollars for ONE album. Also, she has never tried to recruit musicians with hugs and beer.

I think the point here isn't so much that using Kickstarter or soliciting donations from fans is a terrible way to fund your music

Something about it does feel a bit off to me tbh but I can't put my finger on why. I think that's part of why this discussion is so engrossing to me.

I'm trying to work out whether it's just because it's new and unfamiliar.

also i think it makes a difference that her stuff is the subscription kind of crowdfunding, rather than a series of individual big-tcket projects on a crowdfunding platform that is, as someone said upthread, ostensibly for kickstarting stuff, not career maintenance.

thread conflation has led to me getting GAIMAN STYLE stuck in my head for the last 20 minutes

heeeeeeeeey gothy lady

irl lol

Kickstarter is just, in most cases, a way to pre-sell your album. The good thing about Kickstarter projects is that they aren't open-ended. If you don't make the money in the allotted amount of time, then too bad. You get NOTHING.

The bad thing about Kickstarter is that the grassroots nature of it is being undermined by people using highly trained PR and marketing mercenaries to make sure the goals are reached, or by setting goals that are well beyond what the costs would/should actually be.

basically stay away from goths. those people are poison.

Pledge $2,500 or more

4 Backers Limited (1 of 5 left)

{6 DAYS OF NIGHT | ALL SHOWS} A "Golden Ticket" VIP experience for ALL five shows including 2 tickets to each, admission to soundcheck & meet and greets with Amanda and Neil, the best VIP seats in the house, EVERY piece of merch available (including all solo NG & AFP items, TBD), a special hug from Amanda & Neil for being SO supportive, and a tour laminate & lanyard + signed, personalized, and NUMBERED (of 100) limited edition "An Evening With…" CD set & poster + limited edition signed & numbered fine art print of AFP & NG, taken by Allan Amato + surprise from AFP & NG + digital download

thread has delivered so many times over. thank you amanda fucking palmer.

a special hug

is that code for a reacharound

I retract that joke, it's terrible

you can't retract a special hug

a special hug!

this does make me think that if I can somehow tap into the Amanda Palmer fan base I could do basically whatever the fuck I wanted as long as I'm willing to hug people

of the amanda palmer stories related itt, this getting fans to play for free thing actually seems the least bad (though that's not to say it's good, just compared to the ableist shit and the suicide-faking-and-reusing-on-record). it's not just the way she asked though, as people have said it's not like she's asking fans to be her full-time band for free, BUT it really sets off some massive and timely alarm bells about the expectation across too many industries of people being asked to donate their talents to get some nebulous unquantifiable non-money thing in return, like exposure or an experience or a platform. it's kind of like how i flinch when i see the word "volunteer" nowadays even though volunteering is a noble act to be encouraged - it's also exploited way too much for me to be comfortable with a scheme with it at its core

omg djp if you shaved your eyebrows and played ukelele on the beach

and on top of all that she really does seem like a huge attention-seeking faux-cutesy douche

I would kickstart smthg for a hug from Carly Rae Jepsen.

i once found myself on princess superstar's kickstarter page and among the things she was promising for larger sums were private internet shows :/

good times. http://www.villagevoice.com/2004-07-06/music/what-i-learned-about-germany/

hahahahahahaha Sterl

can we start some bizarro-world kickstarter site where people pledge to siphon money away from horrible people and their horrible projects?

sterling that is gold... 8-year-old gold, but gold.