amanda palmer's open poem to jonathan chait (and other crimes)

according to the Q&A video re: the staged suicide recordings, she was 18 when the recording/"performance" happened, the album with the clips was released in 2008. so she sat on the recordings for 14 years and then decided as a 32 year old grown ass adult to include the recording in the album.

i'm not familiar with the album in question so i'm not sure whether it fits in thematically, but that is just completely mindblowingly indefensible imo

her thing really sounds like a cliched drama student's wet dream

bingo!

BTW I am currently laughing inside at the image of 14 drama students on a bus in animal costumes berating Adam for being too money-driven

like I am picturing this felt lion a la school play wizard of oz shaking his round felt lion head exaggeratedly and saying "this isn't about the money!"

lol me too. Just add discussions on what each person's Spirit Animal is, how good they are at Reiki, their crystal collection, etc.

it's like a really fucked up, psychedellic version of a C.S. Lewis novel

if we're saying that the participants should be demanding $50-$100 (and presumably aren't), then it seems to me that the onus falls on them more than AP. sure, everyone has the right to make a living at their chosen profession, but we also have the right to give it away for free if we so choose. and, like AP, we have the right to ask others to work for any or even no wage. they can always refuse, after all.

i suppose that argument might open a nasty can of worms wr2 worker's rights and fair hiring practices, but in this particular case, i don't think those sorts of concerns apply.

There are good points and counterpoints on both sides here. If Palmer wasn't such a polarizing figure, maybe it would be more cut & dried... What if, say, Ian MacKaye did something similar? Would there be such an uproar? (Or would Ian simply never do such a thing because it is the "wrong" thing to do? Someone get Ian on the phone...)

The Branca thing does seem to be similar, aside from the "one-off art installation" nature of it. I've asked my friends who played in it what they think, but nobody has replied yet.

When this story first dropped someone told me that she plays ukulele with a capo. Is that true? Cos it's quite possibly the stupidest thing I've ever heard.

I jumped at the opportunity to do the Branca thing in 2001. Rode the Greyhound for 11h to do it and it felt like an honour at the time (early 20s). No way would I do that for free now. But yeah, I mentioned above that I thought about this right away. One difference is that, iirc, admission was free for this event. It was funded by a public grant. I don't know how much it was, or whether Branca took home much, but I imagine that it would not have been enough to pay 100 musicians.

Provide some kind of proof you can play an instrument" is not that great of an expectation, considering people are presumably going to be paying something for this performance

Is this what people refer to as an "own goal?"

hahahaha let's back away from the controversy stirred by Amanda Palmer and pretend this is Ian "Guilty Of Being White" MacKaye

didn't ian dance for free at that saturday night live thing?

One difference is that, iirc, admission was free for this event.

In the UK admission was £25, apparently (I did not see it, though I would have liked to). No idea how much Branca got out of it.

Yeah, the guy who's scrupulous about tracking down people who recorded 7 inches for Dischord when they were 18 so he can give them $30 cheques would definitely do this.

xp

don't drag fugazi into this u dildos

I'm going to start a band called U Dildos.

Done.

We need $50,000 to put out our first 7". In return, I will personally stamp each sleeve, and include a Polaroid of my cat.

I also need money for a Polaroid camera, unless someone wants to, um, volunteer one.

Q: do you need a cat?

if so, you can use mine while you're in town. she will not require payment, but might appreciate some lap time.

I need $10,000 just for all the polaroid cameras and cats and stuff I need just to get this kickstarter going!

btw remember when the dude from animal collective actually literally scammed people through kickstarter and basically just bought drugs or idk what with the funds and there were like 1/100 as many posts about it?

the dude from animal collective also wasn't getting feted on npr etc

and yes, he is an asshole too

So, wait, that was real? I figured it was someone posing as him.

btw remember when the dude from animal collective actually literally scammed people through kickstarter and basically just bought drugs or idk what with the funds and there were like 1/100 as many posts about it?

― look at this quarterstaff (Hurting 2), Friday, September 14, 2012 12:47 AM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I just saw this last week - seems dodgy as hell, have they ever actually addressed this anywhere?

xpost,I should stress, just to get it out there and make sure that there is no confusion, that I will charge your cat for laptime. $50. However, I will post your (and anyone's) cat's name to my tumblr as an "executive produce" of U Dildo's proposed 7".

I also need a lathe.

And a turntable, come to think of it. Also, a new Macbook to edit my video about the making of the 7". Will also offer "executive producer" status for that, too. Name will be in the credits.

Can I buy a degree from this University of Dildo? How much would that cost?

You're thinking of Dildo U., in Boston. My band is U Dildos. We didn't go to college, because it's a bourgeois pursuit.

But for a $50,000 a year sponsorship, we will go to college.

so that's how milo aukerman afforded grad school

"kickstart my balls" is a great contribution to the lexicon, btw

btw remember when the dude from animal collective actually literally scammed people through kickstarter and basically just bought drugs or idk what with the funds and there were like 1/100 as many posts about it?

― look at this quarterstaff (Hurting 2), Thursday, September 13, 2012 6:47 PM (30 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i never heard about this!

I'm trying to find it but I can't remember the AC guy's name because it's something really stupid!

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/legupmgmt/deacon-animal-collective-at-the-festival-in-the/comments

the comment thread on that is one of my favorite internet things ever

Dan Rollman on August 21
Hi Josh.

We are now approaching three years since your project was funded. Three years! You relied on the belief of strangers, who gave you over $25,000 so you could have a fun adventure in Africa.

It's truly disappointing. You've hurt my ability to have faith and belief in the honesty and commitment of others. I still hope you'll follow through and deliver what you promised, but with each passing month, my skepticism grows.

Bummed,

Dan Rollman

Animal Collective dude is a much, much worse person than Amanda Palmer; there's nothing really to discuss re: that situation aside from "lol why did you give dude from Animal Collective money, you dimwits"

I dunno, if that is actually him (as I say, I only heard about this last week, never seen anyone talk about it or confirm it), then it should be spoken about - it is a TERRIBLE thing to do.

He has given it to a charity! Maybe. Or something else! Maybe.

it's also not 100% clear that he didn't give the money to this supposed charity, but it looks like he was (1) very vague about it the whole time (2) changed his story (3) never delivered the extras he promised and (4) never followed up to explain wth happened

hmm

I only heard about the AC scam on the Centipede Hz thread last week; I did have visions of starting a "hi I'm Nelly; contribute to my Kickstarter" scam but then I remembered I have morals

There have been several updates posted for the benefit of backers only. I hope that they're something along the lines of "I went, it was great, accompanying album is taking longer than I thought"

I will make a kickstarter for my puerto rico resort vacation. For a contribution of $500, I will send you an autographed photo of me, by the pool at my puerto rico resort, in swim trunks, lighting a cigar with a $100 bill.

He spent it on Dario G white labels