New Scott Walker album: 'The Drift'

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i don't know... noone has yet compared the drift to a monolith stretching miles into the sky.

boychild, Tuesday, 4 April 2006 21:59 (twenty years ago)

...yet.

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Tuesday, 4 April 2006 22:08 (twenty years ago)

Donald Duck/Donald Rumsfield

i'll cop. i didnt pick up on this at all.

PeopleFunnyBoy (PeopleFunnyBoy), Tuesday, 4 April 2006 22:09 (twenty years ago)

so many stupid words

D. Duck, Tuesday, 4 April 2006 22:45 (twenty years ago)

Iam sorry folks. I didn't mean to come across like a pompous, pretentious asshole. Enjoy the album. Have fun.

PaulBaran, Tuesday, 4 April 2006 23:27 (twenty years ago)

My enthusiasm went too far. After reading some of my posts, I realise that I come across as being up my own anus. I will keep my posts shorter and more to the point in future.

PaulBaran, Tuesday, 4 April 2006 23:32 (twenty years ago)

don't sweat it dude! i'm dying to hear the album and i hope it makes me gush as much as you

boychild, Tuesday, 4 April 2006 23:33 (twenty years ago)

It will, but not to Kate Bush proportions... lol

PaulBaran, Tuesday, 4 April 2006 23:35 (twenty years ago)

Rapidshare, please ;-)

I've yet to come across a link that's still working in any of the blogs/forums I've just visited.

Scott fan, Wednesday, 5 April 2006 05:01 (twenty years ago)

Please don't ask. We've already established that "asking for shares is really, really gauche".

(I am agreeing with you hstencil, not mocking you)

Peak Lupe (Peak Lupe), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 06:21 (twenty years ago)

guache because....?

lee ward (lee ward), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 06:59 (twenty years ago)

"Gauche" because if you are planning to steal something, it's a bit clumsy to publicly ask for help or for advice on how to do it.

Peak Lupe (Peak Lupe), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 07:44 (twenty years ago)

Steal? I'm going to buy The Drift on the day of release.

Scott fan, Wednesday, 5 April 2006 08:21 (twenty years ago)

I Love Music FAQ
What sorts of things are frowned on?
"Illiteracy, treating ILM as your personal music bank and forum for piracy"

Peter Andre, Wednesday, 5 April 2006 09:20 (twenty years ago)

Scott Fan, I am not condemning you for wanting to steal/borrow an early copy of The Drift, but this is not the place to ask.

Peak Lupe, Wednesday, 5 April 2006 09:29 (twenty years ago)

Differences from Tilt--- less songy

Christ.

Chuck_Tatum (Chuck_Tatum), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 10:46 (twenty years ago)

Donald and donald- the escape about exit strategies from Iraq or what... kinda thought from the title that might have something to do with it...

Hand Me Up also ends on him feeling like christ... the nails going into his feet and hands... so yes, mocking himself and the way he is perceived, (the tortured artist is all an audience wants) or just the way no-brow sleb-culture in the end wants only to crucify those it once celebrated, it wants them dead (see Pedro Doherty et al...)

Psoriatic refers in part to "the silver people" (the term for people who suffered with psoriasis in medieval times) which I read elsewhere as being a subject Scott has written about before (a piece for his Meltdown Festival back in 2000 was it?)- but I don't know what all the blanket stuff is about...

Cue and Jolson and Jolson evade my grasp at present, but the fat black crocodile on the sandbar is a nice image...

gek-opel, Wednesday, 5 April 2006 15:52 (twenty years ago)

the escape about exit strategies from Iraq or what

see, i got that in Psoriatic ("anthrax, jesus.../ pulling out won't be slow") but didnt get it in The Escape.

PeopleFunnyBoy (PeopleFunnyBoy), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 16:12 (twenty years ago)

I missed that pulling out line... the need for a proper lyric sheet is chronic.

gek-opel, Wednesday, 5 April 2006 16:33 (twenty years ago)

Yes, I agree, I want to write about this record so badly but I don't want to get the lyrics wrong.

Drew Daniel (Drew Daniel), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 16:59 (twenty years ago)

Iam trying to aim for the feel and the lyrics too. But he operates on multi-levels...

PaulBaran, Wednesday, 5 April 2006 17:19 (twenty years ago)

I've heard that if you lay all the lyric end to end, they spell out the meaning of life.

Melissa W (Melissa W), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 17:20 (twenty years ago)

I'm sure it will inspire reams of florid prose, but fuck it, its so content heavy (deeply coded) its completely appropriate. Feeling the mainstream press wil utterly slate it tho? (not that that matters in the grand scheme of things... just that it would be slightly unfortunate...)

gek-opel, Wednesday, 5 April 2006 17:23 (twenty years ago)

Just a few really initial thoughts about this record:

In comparison to "Tilt" this is way more claustrophobic, and unremittingly dark. I'll be honest and say it did frighten me listening to it the first time after I smoked up last night, and definitely is one of the most uneasy listens to a cd I've had in ages.

However, I don't mean this in a necessarily negative fashion -- "The Drift" is uncompromisingly brave, but with very few moments of relief like "Tilt" had -- Scott is always engaging through his perfofrmance on here (I think his vocal on "Clara" is one of his best in years) but he plays such a perfect straight-man to his frightening soundscapes -- the 1st listen on headphones real loud found me just as uncomfortable at times with his vocal presence than with the music itself.

While he toiled with the themes of alienation in earlier records, the deeper he goes the more interesting and beguiling it gets- To be honest some of the skewed ambience reminded me of "Silent Hill" the game at times, which did take cues soundwise from "Jacob's Ladder" -- a kind of industrial stomp that is very unsettling.

It's probably going to be my album of the year.

ross, Wednesday, 5 April 2006 17:25 (twenty years ago)

Its not quite straightforward personal alienation I don't think,
To quote PaulBaran:

"Walker sings through the feelings of others as if they were inside him, exorcising all the horrors he's watched and read. He conveys the souls of the unspoken victims through his compositions ... people who are victims of poltical/state control"

OTM.

gek-opel, Wednesday, 5 April 2006 17:35 (twenty years ago)

Gek, that's a good point -- I guess what I meant by alienation, was just a general exile of not just himself, but others through various circumstances. If that makes any sense? :)

ross, Wednesday, 5 April 2006 17:45 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, absolutely. Its almost like he's reaching for a point of sublime horror, "in the dream i'm crawling around on my hands and knees..." frome "Jesse" Or "if I jerk the handle, you'll diein my dreams, If I jerk the handle, jerk the handle, you'll thrill me and thrill me and thrill me..." from "The Electrician"

gek-opel, Wednesday, 5 April 2006 17:56 (twenty years ago)

It's definitely the best nightmare I've never had.

ross, Wednesday, 5 April 2006 18:23 (twenty years ago)

Hmm. There is a rip off of Brian Wilson's fire song (I think it's called Mrs. Oleary's cow) from Smile on "Clara." String cluster rising and falling, tom drum hits, and then flute clusters above that.

Turangalila (Salvador), Thursday, 6 April 2006 06:49 (twenty years ago)

Hi Gek opel,

Having heard it a few times I can get a clearer handle on the contrast of textures. He is adept at mixing the acoustic qualities of naturual instruments with the processed electro-accoustic ones. Again, referencing " Clara ", he uses a medieval flute tone (A nod to Ennio Morricone's medieval library music for Pasolini's Life trilogy). The flute tones are narrow in the Pythagorean Scale in D, but Scott works against this limited scale admirably.

He repeats the tactic throughout the album. On " Buzzers" it's the Guitar, and insistent tapped glass, as well as the looped tone generator (or what sounds like one). Working against the sparest of musical materials, so that the lyric is illuminated above all other textural considerations.

PaulBaran, Thursday, 6 April 2006 11:15 (twenty years ago)

Actually the minimal guitar used as percussion on many of the tracks is a pretty striking feature throughout... almost like a boiling down of "rock" to just a repetition of one chord, sometimes here even a dischordant one endlessly riffed upon, but without even aggression, a mechanistic deconstruction into abstraction.
And you're right, everything is pretty pared down even tho the album is seldom sparse (almost always at least 3 or 4 layers of instrumentation going at once, just each often ultra minimal), the blocks of sound thing that he talked about in the interview makes a lot of sense now, its less like music and more like an audio environment onto which he can project his imagistic arias.

gek-opel, Thursday, 6 April 2006 17:15 (twenty years ago)

You know, I love the album, but y'all are killing me.

Melissa W (Melissa W), Thursday, 6 April 2006 17:18 (twenty years ago)

I'm with Melissa. I think the album is great. Nothing much else like it this year. But it is basically an opera, no? A dark reflection of the world, but nothing revolutionary.

marybeth, Thursday, 6 April 2006 17:28 (twenty years ago)

Did people not get a lyric tome with this along with the advance?

Erick H (Erick H), Thursday, 6 April 2006 17:44 (twenty years ago)

Its not revolutionary per se, no. But merely exhibiting an extended level of seriousness about what music can achieve (to a post-punk like level of integrity and interrogation) in this day and age is refreshing. To describe socio-political angst in a way which isn't balls-achingly obvious and gauche is pretty decent too, given that many many artists of late have tried and succeeded only in producing music thats embarrassing. And yes, it is basically an opera, but a resolutely modernistic one -and a bloody dense one. I'm unsure as to whether I "enjoy" it, in a literal sense, its like "enjoying" Guernica. It doesn't really work as a passive experience, letting it wash over me tends to lead to a blank. Hence the need to work at it. Apologies if verbose discussion = pretention or being overly serious or a voyage to the darkest recesses of the humanoid anus.

gek-opel, Thursday, 6 April 2006 17:47 (twenty years ago)

I need a lyric sheet! Some did get lyrics according to the guy up thread, each word of the lyrics was printed on a new line or something...

gek-opel, Thursday, 6 April 2006 17:48 (twenty years ago)

But merely exhibiting an extended level of seriousness about what music can achieve (to a post-punk like level of integrity and interrogation) in this day and age is refreshing.

No it isn't — it's actually rather typical.

To describe socio-political angst in a way which isn't balls-achingly obvious and gauche is pretty decent too, given that many many artists of late have tried and succeeded only in producing music thats embarrassing.

That's more like it.

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Thursday, 6 April 2006 17:49 (twenty years ago)

yeah- fair cop guv, perhaps I should've said an extended level of seriousness about what LYRIC DRIVEN music can achieve.

There's an unending stream of self-possessed instrumental music... to be sure.

gek-opel, Thursday, 6 April 2006 17:54 (twenty years ago)

There is a confrontational angle to this which is being intelligently mined. Everything is about insistence - insistence of sound, lyric, mood, and so on. As if he is on a concerted mission to reconnect us with a reality we deny through programnmed conditioning and accumulated rational intellect. Whether its through a sharp jump cut or " Bam, Bam, Bam " or the hissing in a Lover loves. Symbols and states of mind seem to be inverted, as is in the case of recontexulising of the Loonie Tunes, in order to re-engage us with primeval terror, or fear, which has it's own beauty too. And to be honest, I don't care if that sounds this or that to some people, because Iam frigging sick of people policing each other's thoughts. An album like this demands more than a cursory, trite observation, especially if he's put this attention to it.

PaulBaran, Thursday, 6 April 2006 19:54 (twenty years ago)

An album like this demands more than a cursory, trite observation

Bah

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Thursday, 6 April 2006 20:33 (twenty years ago)

If given what we know about how certain tracks "unpack" (like a compressed file of data) and that in them everything happens for a reason and contextualizes the other elements, it stands to reason that the other pieces are similarly designed, and hence beg for analysis! If you don't like it, you don't have to

PaulBaran: The hissing on a lover loves is a distancing technique for definite, to prevent the song from being pleasant, to undercut the relative ease of the melody in comparison with whats gone before...

gek-opel, Thursday, 6 April 2006 20:40 (twenty years ago)

Mr Opel,

yes, your observation is spot on and wholly consistent with the procedures he uses in pyschic disruption, as well as that hissing, you can also hear the guitar veer of atonally as well on that song. Most great music, manipulates different emotions; Here Mr Engel opts to manipulate our fear, just as global governments and corporations do.


PaulBaran, Thursday, 6 April 2006 20:55 (twenty years ago)

i wonder how much it matters that everything fits together tho. i don't think these songs boil down to literal meanings.

like jesse. ok, when i listen to it now i know that it's somehow about elvis' dead brother and the twin towers, and there's a guitar reference to jailhouse rock, and the pow pows are the planes hitting the towers...

but damned if i know what elvis' dead brother has to do with the twin towers, or how they fit together in the song, other than that they lyrics seem to morph back and forth between the two subjects, or what all these references actually communicate in the end

which doesn't make the song any less powerful, i'm quite happy to listen to it without figuring it out as if it were a code. but i'm also not convinced there really is anything to figure out at the end of the day.

boychild, Thursday, 6 April 2006 20:56 (twenty years ago)

and frankly, some of the more obvious meanings to be drawn seem rather trite to me.

like hand me ups. ok, its about reality tv/global celebrity culture etc. and sw's commentary on that is to bring in the old artist-as-jesus, crucified for the spectacle of the masses, allegory.

not exactly subtle, or original.

boychild, Thursday, 6 April 2006 21:04 (twenty years ago)

lyrically, i'm enjoying it more as a long sequence of bizarre images at the moment

boychild, Thursday, 6 April 2006 21:07 (twenty years ago)

Boychild,

Isn't that what defines great art. A work which simultaneously allows you to stand back as a spectator and take in the whole effect of it, while it merits enough elusivness to elcit a range of critical responses, ranging from " Fuck me to the socio-political undercurrents of this are infinite X,Y,and mr Zebedee". You can enjoy it on multiple levels, no matter which way you are mentally and emotionally orientated towards it. Your response isn't less valid than mine, it's just as unique.

Boychild " Go seek the Lady" ;)

PaulBaran, Thursday, 6 April 2006 21:16 (twenty years ago)

Enjoy, that is the bottom-line.

Paul.

PaulBaran, Thursday, 6 April 2006 21:18 (twenty years ago)

i'm not saying your response isn't valid... a lot of the stuff you're talking about is how it works musically anyway, which is slightly different.

but if someone has a good explanation of what, say, jesse is supposed to actually mean, beyond listing all the reference points, i'd like to hear it!

boychild, Thursday, 6 April 2006 21:19 (twenty years ago)

jesus fucking christ people stop with the exegesis!!!

amateurist0, Friday, 7 April 2006 06:05 (twenty years ago)

words

words

Clara P., Friday, 7 April 2006 06:09 (twenty years ago)


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