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Catastrophic kerning on the pseudo-FACE logo sets my teeth on edge.

the cold fucking nerve to align themselves with the face, honestly

― r|t|c, Friday, September 7, 2012 10:47 PM (27 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

what's the Face?

peerless, pivotal uk style mag.

This list is hella indie isn't it. Even the dance music choices.

Is a Carl Craig obsession that indie? i bet a singles list would be better though

(knew what the Face was btw)

i would have gone with scion's 'arrange and process basic channel' ahead of the comp they picked. saw II better than 85-92 too obv.

xpost No obv stuff like 69 and E-Dancer isn't "indie" really - I just mean the general slant with all the 90s ambient/IDM, the drum and bass albums chosen, the absence of any house music as far I can remember (let alone, like, populist dance). It's more glaring when it's interwoven with lots of indie rock.

Kudos to FACT for including Carlton though.

The absence of any popular rap other than Wu Tang Clan, one Nas album, one Jay-Z album. No Biggie, no Pac.

yeah but they had Westside Connection...

Is a Carl Craig obsession that indie?

that's like saying kraftwerk or daft punk obsession is indie

ok wait scratch the 2nd

CC happens to rule. please do not use his name with word indie in it again.

i like Carl Craig

Carl "Indie" Craig

One of the more obscure pseudonyms.

anybody listen to the Vladislav Delay/AGF mix of Nicki Minaj verses?

yeah, but that had nothing to do with fact

i read about it in fact

i read about it, in fact.

rattling on about canonical electronic acts being "indie" seems like a pretty "indie" thing to do tbh

No one's actually doing that though.

carl craig is in the thread. please stop saying indie.

Obv 69 is one of the best things on the list. There are a lot of good things on the list!

i don't cosign v much of the list fwiw

Well duh

though i'm not sure if i managed to finish clicking through tbh

I would have been curious to see a list that was a closer reflection of a nineties version of their current aesthetic, though I guess they think indie rock, golden age rap, "intelligent" jungle and aphex twin are exactly that. Maybe they are.

it probably is, particularly albums-wise

they should have let lex vote. His reviews have really been getting the readership riled up over there

obv i am v aware of this now but i was genuinely surprised at first - i don't have the patience to think of the "ew! minaj/bieber/cheryl cole pop cooties" brigade with anything other than contempt though

it's 2012 did we not HAVE THESE ARGUMENTS ALREADY

also british dance music sux right now, apart from like ikonika

Royal-t et al?

It's not "indie" per se but if you factor out Belle & Sebastian and Pulp you can smell the fucking weed coming off this list from a mile. Virtually everything here his the stoner-friendly facet of its genre.

I mean that's fine in its way because weed was pretty significant in 90s music but its very much presenting only one side of the decade.

That seems thoroughly otm.

so many of my points of aesthetic alienation from other people in music become clear when weed is brought up

royal-t, yeah, though to an extent i'm only interested in the garage/post-funky lot when they're making tropicalesque stuff or remixing pop (why are funkystepz and ill blu permitted to release instrumentals again?)

haha the opposite of the fact vibe basically.

well as far as you can get while talking about a lot of the same artists.

i know right!

i was REALLY surprised that my piece on garage pop remixes got such a negative reaction. like wtf is wrong with those people

(nb everyone at fact itself loved those trax)

also british dance music sux right now, apart from like ikonika

― lex pretend, Saturday, 8 September 2012 10:33 (3 hours ago) Bookmark

if you stfu with this ignorant codswallop i promise not to ever invoice you for that garage bit

haha this thread is approx 7.3x worse than the fact list

you know, just speaking as a fan of dance and rap, i think that list is pretty good, quibbles about ordering aside. i don't know 90% of the rock on it, though.

pretty awesome they included e-dancer though i'd have put it higher than 69

The big issue from the dance side is that they (I assume) ruled out DJ mixes and the like, e.g. the choices of d&b albums seemed astonishingly one-sided to me but then once you're restricting yourself to "proper" artist albums 1995 - 1999 it becomes harder to avoid that I guess.

i can see that as a reasonable editorial decision though

it'll be interesting to see how 00s album lists deal w/ the issue of podcasts

probably just exclude those too, right?

which DJ mixes would you have included, tim?

i'd have probably put on dave clarke's electro x-mix but i'm not sure what else

i can see that as a reasonable editorial decision though

― the late great, Tuesday, September 11, 2012 6:53 PM (25 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Yeah, but it has consequences when a lot of the list is about dance music.

Not that they would have had a hope in this poll but my 90s DJ mix selections would be:

Lil Louis Vega - United DJs of America, Vol. 2: New York City
Kenny Ken - A History of Hardcore
Grooverider - Hardstep Selection II
Slipmatt - Slipmatt Takes Control
Robbie Hardkiss - Mixed Messages
Carl Craig - DJ Kicks
The Dreem Teem - In Session II
Derrick May - The MayDay Mix
DJ Rolando - The Aztec Mystic Mix

Thinking about it, comps possibly more crucial to the story of jungle than mixes.

Carl Craig - DJ Kicks

^^ excellent suggestion

i would add nicolette's dj kicks to the list, that is a monster

how about

v/a - TORQUE
v/a - TECHSTEPPIN

massive omissions imo