it's a navigational mess but the overall look has potential. i dare say it will be okY once they refine it. THE FACE (pastiche?) logo is good imo. fk that top 100 going through each album one at a time though. that's exactly NOT how to make people look at your site. even doing a 100 list in blocks of ten is pushing it.
― jed_, Friday, 7 September 2012 21:29 (twelve years ago) link
the cold fucking nerve to align themselves with the face, honestly
― r|t|c, Friday, 7 September 2012 22:47 (twelve years ago) link
Catastrophic kerning on the pseudo-FACE logo sets my teeth on edge.
― Stevie T, Friday, 7 September 2012 22:49 (twelve years ago) link
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― Tim F, Friday, 7 September 2012 23:16 (twelve years ago) link
what's the Face?
― Number None, Friday, 7 September 2012 23:17 (twelve years ago) link
peerless, pivotal uk style mag.
This list is hella indie isn't it. Even the dance music choices.
― Tim F, Friday, 7 September 2012 23:51 (twelve years ago) link
Is a Carl Craig obsession that indie? i bet a singles list would be better though
(knew what the Face was btw)
― Number None, Friday, 7 September 2012 23:55 (twelve years ago) link
i would have gone with scion's 'arrange and process basic channel' ahead of the comp they picked. saw II better than 85-92 too obv.
― second only to popcorn (or something), Friday, 7 September 2012 23:57 (twelve years ago) link
xpost No obv stuff like 69 and E-Dancer isn't "indie" really - I just mean the general slant with all the 90s ambient/IDM, the drum and bass albums chosen, the absence of any house music as far I can remember (let alone, like, populist dance). It's more glaring when it's interwoven with lots of indie rock.
Kudos to FACT for including Carlton though.
― Tim F, Saturday, 8 September 2012 00:00 (twelve years ago) link
The absence of any popular rap other than Wu Tang Clan, one Nas album, one Jay-Z album. No Biggie, no Pac.
― your naïve bacon (mh), Saturday, 8 September 2012 00:26 (twelve years ago) link
yeah but they had Westside Connection...
― Number None, Saturday, 8 September 2012 00:49 (twelve years ago) link
Is a Carl Craig obsession that indie?
that's like saying kraftwerk or daft punk obsession is indie
ok wait scratch the 2nd
― the late great, Saturday, 8 September 2012 00:50 (twelve years ago) link
CC happens to rule. please do not use his name with word indie in it again.
i like Carl Craig
― Number None, Saturday, 8 September 2012 00:53 (twelve years ago) link
Carl "Indie" Craig
― Josiah Alan, Saturday, 8 September 2012 01:19 (twelve years ago) link
One of the more obscure pseudonyms.
― Josiah Alan, Saturday, 8 September 2012 01:23 (twelve years ago) link
anybody listen to the Vladislav Delay/AGF mix of Nicki Minaj verses?
― blank, Saturday, 8 September 2012 01:29 (twelve years ago) link
yeah, but that had nothing to do with fact
― your naïve bacon (mh), Saturday, 8 September 2012 01:30 (twelve years ago) link
i read about it in fact
― blank, Saturday, 8 September 2012 02:46 (twelve years ago) link
i read about it, in fact.
― jed_, Saturday, 8 September 2012 06:11 (twelve years ago) link
rattling on about canonical electronic acts being "indie" seems like a pretty "indie" thing to do tbh
― it's-a me, irl (DJ Mencap), Saturday, 8 September 2012 08:03 (twelve years ago) link
No one's actually doing that though.
― Tim F, Saturday, 8 September 2012 08:27 (twelve years ago) link
carl craig is in the thread. please stop saying indie.
― the late great, Saturday, 8 September 2012 08:46 (twelve years ago) link
Obv 69 is one of the best things on the list. There are a lot of good things on the list!
― Tim F, Saturday, 8 September 2012 08:49 (twelve years ago) link
i don't cosign v much of the list fwiw
― lex pretend, Saturday, 8 September 2012 08:51 (twelve years ago) link
Well duh
― Tim F, Saturday, 8 September 2012 09:03 (twelve years ago) link
though i'm not sure if i managed to finish clicking through tbh
― lex pretend, Saturday, 8 September 2012 09:05 (twelve years ago) link
I would have been curious to see a list that was a closer reflection of a nineties version of their current aesthetic, though I guess they think indie rock, golden age rap, "intelligent" jungle and aphex twin are exactly that. Maybe they are.
― Tim F, Saturday, 8 September 2012 09:25 (twelve years ago) link
it probably is, particularly albums-wise
― lex pretend, Saturday, 8 September 2012 09:31 (twelve years ago) link
they should have let lex vote. His reviews have really been getting the readership riled up over there
obv i am v aware of this now but i was genuinely surprised at first - i don't have the patience to think of the "ew! minaj/bieber/cheryl cole pop cooties" brigade with anything other than contempt though
― lex pretend, Saturday, 8 September 2012 09:32 (twelve years ago) link
it's 2012 did we not HAVE THESE ARGUMENTS ALREADY
also british dance music sux right now, apart from like ikonika
― lex pretend, Saturday, 8 September 2012 09:33 (twelve years ago) link
Royal-t et al?
― Tim F, Saturday, 8 September 2012 10:05 (twelve years ago) link
It's not "indie" per se but if you factor out Belle & Sebastian and Pulp you can smell the fucking weed coming off this list from a mile. Virtually everything here his the stoner-friendly facet of its genre.
I mean that's fine in its way because weed was pretty significant in 90s music but its very much presenting only one side of the decade.
― Matt DC, Saturday, 8 September 2012 10:06 (twelve years ago) link
That seems thoroughly otm.
― Tim F, Saturday, 8 September 2012 10:07 (twelve years ago) link
so many of my points of aesthetic alienation from other people in music become clear when weed is brought up
― lex pretend, Saturday, 8 September 2012 10:10 (twelve years ago) link
royal-t, yeah, though to an extent i'm only interested in the garage/post-funky lot when they're making tropicalesque stuff or remixing pop (why are funkystepz and ill blu permitted to release instrumentals again?)
― lex pretend, Saturday, 8 September 2012 10:11 (twelve years ago) link
haha the opposite of the fact vibe basically.
― Tim F, Saturday, 8 September 2012 10:24 (twelve years ago) link
well as far as you can get while talking about a lot of the same artists.
i know right!
― lex pretend, Saturday, 8 September 2012 10:26 (twelve years ago) link
i was REALLY surprised that my piece on garage pop remixes got such a negative reaction. like wtf is wrong with those people
(nb everyone at fact itself loved those trax)
― lex pretend, Saturday, 8 September 2012 10:27 (twelve years ago) link
― lex pretend, Saturday, 8 September 2012 10:33 (3 hours ago) Bookmark
if you stfu with this ignorant codswallop i promise not to ever invoice you for that garage bit
― r|t|c, Saturday, 8 September 2012 12:56 (twelve years ago) link
haha this thread is approx 7.3x worse than the fact list
― fauxmarc, Tuesday, 11 September 2012 17:37 (twelve years ago) link
you know, just speaking as a fan of dance and rap, i think that list is pretty good, quibbles about ordering aside. i don't know 90% of the rock on it, though.
― the late great, Tuesday, 11 September 2012 18:49 (twelve years ago) link
pretty awesome they included e-dancer though i'd have put it higher than 69
The big issue from the dance side is that they (I assume) ruled out DJ mixes and the like, e.g. the choices of d&b albums seemed astonishingly one-sided to me but then once you're restricting yourself to "proper" artist albums 1995 - 1999 it becomes harder to avoid that I guess.
― Tim F, Tuesday, 11 September 2012 18:51 (twelve years ago) link
i can see that as a reasonable editorial decision though
― the late great, Tuesday, 11 September 2012 18:53 (twelve years ago) link
it'll be interesting to see how 00s album lists deal w/ the issue of podcasts
probably just exclude those too, right?
which DJ mixes would you have included, tim?
i'd have probably put on dave clarke's electro x-mix but i'm not sure what else
― the late great, Tuesday, 11 September 2012 18:54 (twelve years ago) link
― the late great, Tuesday, September 11, 2012 6:53 PM (25 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Yeah, but it has consequences when a lot of the list is about dance music.
Not that they would have had a hope in this poll but my 90s DJ mix selections would be:
Lil Louis Vega - United DJs of America, Vol. 2: New York CityKenny Ken - A History of HardcoreGrooverider - Hardstep Selection IISlipmatt - Slipmatt Takes ControlRobbie Hardkiss - Mixed MessagesCarl Craig - DJ KicksThe Dreem Teem - In Session IIDerrick May - The MayDay MixDJ Rolando - The Aztec Mystic Mix
Thinking about it, comps possibly more crucial to the story of jungle than mixes.
― Tim F, Tuesday, 11 September 2012 19:53 (twelve years ago) link