Rockist Git Frank Turner and the horror of the live version of "I Still Believe"

i know my use of "Git" was controversial, me being american and all, but i feel vindicated

Turner's bass player is one Tarrant Anderson, from Oxford. One Tarrant Anderson won 343 votes as the Conservative party candidate for Headlington ward in the 2004 Oxford City Council elections. I do not know if they are the same person.

i was gonna ask how many tarrant andersons could there be, but then...

also paul weller was in the jam and this fuckstain is some kinda prep school fake working class Sir Punklesworth Cougar Mellencamp III who writes godawful music

^ enjoyed this

Based in Oxfordshire? Could be 'closely related' but apart from that:

re:Tarrant Anderson
He is also a director of the tour bus hire company Vans For Bands Ltd

Battered Vans a speciality...

i know my use of "Git" was controversial, me being american and all, but i feel vindicated

― Jandek at the Disco (upper mississippi sh@kedown),

I think it should be changed from git to cunt, me being Scottish and all, but I feel it will be vindicated.

Twitter exchange after Steven Adams of Broken Family Band/Singing Adams asked Tarrant Anderson if he was the former Tory candidate.

@singingadams yup I stood as a paper candidate while researching a thesis on party organisational reform. What of it?

@_sleepingsouls oh I get it, you weren't a serious conservative party candidate, it was for a homework project.

@singingadams MPhil in Politics thesis. In the Bodlian Library in Oxford if you want something to send you to sleep

that doesn't sound like complete bullshit at all

i'm sure he did get a thesis out of it. but paper candidates are still put up by the actual party. i suspect they don't invite people doing theses to just fill the slots.

Did I ever tell you about the time my Dad stood as a paper candidate for Labour and accidentally served 2 terms?

Yeah, you have to be a party member to stand, and also be "in" with local party organisation. Standing in the first place hardly something that happens to you by chance.

What I don't understand is why these gits are being so evasive about it. Being a Tory or a Libertarian nitwit is not a crime (yet) but I guess evading and dissembling are good old fashioned Tory values they are intent on emulating.

oh god my friends from an old message board who love, like, the get-up kids/fun. in 2008/cursive/streetlight/that band with the civil war album/childish gambino love this dude. i always thought he just did harmless poppy folk punk. i was so wrong

I just listened to that song for the first time.

*stabs ears with pencil*
*throws away entire music collection*

*gets real*

ookej... frank turner and luke turner are not the same person, then.

They're pretty much the opposite of each other

everything about this is so disgusting

Was wondering when Mr. Bragg would say something:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/sep/08/frank-turner-political-post-ideological-culture

yeah, that felt inevitable

tbh his don't seem like the kind of statements that require this guy to be slandered & libelled and so on. soft tories who haven't thought about much are people who also exist!

eh he seems like someone who's thought about a lot and come to many very stupid conclusions.

thought about it a lot and doesn't come to the same conclusion as ilxors

Yeah, I'm sorry, this isn't an innocent young kid who hasn't thought about shit. He's 31 years old FFS. If he has thought about it and come to these stupid conclusions, he's an idiot. If he hasn't thought his positions through, he should be old enough to realise that he shouldn't be speaking about them in public. Otherwise he's an idiot.

And what he said absolutely does not amount to saying there's no difference between Labour and the Tories. Labour haven't had any Socialist leanings for a very very long time. A 31 year old who talks about politics should be able to understand that. Fuck, a ten year old who talks about politics should be able to understand that.

And pandemic, there's an awful lot of stuff he's said that is rampantly deficient in facts - it isn't just a difference of opinion.

ya i dunno that ilxors are alone in being opposed to blinkeredly and stridently cack-handed libertarianism.

ilxors hate radicalism

One of the problems is that for someone whose stated concern is individual liberty is the way he used words used to diminish individual so casually - "retarded". And in this YouTube vid at 5:25 he calls Gordon Brown a "stupid Scottish one-eyed bleating illiterate socialist cunt". He's entitled to despise Brown, but "one-eyed"?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ntqydh5EaN4&feature=youtu.be

turnerian anarchism is a bit too much for we squares it's troo.

Dunno where that video has gone. Try here.

This thread desperately needs random Frank Turner googlers.

plz bring us your insights, westillbelieve262

I don't know how much there is for random googlers to get their teeth into. He doesn't really deny the political position that he's coming from and it's such an odd viewpoint in the UK i'm not sure how comfortable his fanbase is in defending it. Most of the responses i've seen are just "it's not fair to judge him because he disagrees with you".

I've just been through several pages of Googling "frank turner" and this doesn't come up.

he's thirty-one? oh wait

yeah it's the way he applies this quintessentially american ideology to an old class-bound european society because now he makes cash his essential venality requires a rigid defence of property rights but simply being a conservative is anathema, so the polarity switches from ~radical~ socialism to ~radical libertarianism~

nb i am not sure if i have ever heard this wateman's music, unless i clicked on one of the embeds upthread and have thankfully forgotten it

Frank Turner reminds me very much of my first boyfriend Henry. We met at a student party; everyone else was getting drunk and dancing but he was simply sitting on the stairs strumming an acoustic guitar looking into the middle distance like some very lost soul. He was gently singing a song called What the thunder said which he told me was inspired by The Wasteland and when he sang it was like time stopped. I think what Henry and Frank both have in common is an ability to give a voice to the unspoken and to speak for a generation. Both are literate and understand the likes of Chaucer, Kyd and Marvell but both can also relate to the man in the street; after a date with myself Henry once spent nearly 10 minutes talking to a homeless man on Coldharbour Lane. Give praise that people like Frank, Mumford and Sons and Emmy the Great even exist today and bless us with their music.

otm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TvR6d08L3nc&

omg

not to detract from that amazing artifact but at what point are we as a society going to stop acting like conversing with homeless people is the height of compassion

brb going to talk to a homeless person about kyd

It probably wasn't 10 minutes talking to a homeless person. It was 10 minutes talking at a homeless person. About Ayn Rand.

http://www.avclub.com/articles/british-folksinger-frank-turner-on-why-he-hates-jo,86178/

Hate to say, but he doesn't come across as a complete and utter total cunt in that interview. Mind you, he isn't talking politics so maybe that's why.

hoped this was just gonna be about how he hates someone called Jo

standard issue challops. or "challops".

feel like you could probably reconstruct that interview nearly sentence-for-sentence from old ILM posts

I hate Imagine too and dog latin and Mencap p much otm, but still

a certain strain of material disdain that can only result from being really fucking rich, which is intensely patronizing

a guy who sings "imagine no possessions" while having a room full of fur coats vs an Eton-alumnus "rock star" who thinks the state shouldn't fund anything for anyone, because if they can't afford to get anything they want or need the good old capitalist way then it must be entirely due to their own personal failings

I was going to say "one of these worldviews is doing more damage" but no, buying real fur by the roomful is shitty and really fucking damaging - but Turner says he has "no problem with the man collecting fur coats. Whatever floats your boat" so I mean if FT sees the fur coats just as "owning stuff" then my point (albeit not a very interesting or well-put one) stands

Great news!

Frank Turner has released an intimate new documentary charting his incredible personal journey from erstwhile frontman of seminal UK punk group Million Dead to internationally recognised solo artist. Directed by Gregory Nolan, and told in Frank’s own words, ‘The Way I Tend To Be’ offers fans an insight into the formative years of one of the UK’s leading musicians.

Amidst previously unseen footage, Frank explains his beginnings from his first hardcore band Kneejerk, to being front man for UK punk iconoclasts Million Dead and their anarchic and energetic live shows, also talking at length about the burnout that eventually steered him to become a solo artist. From humble beginnings and extensive touring of the UK, Frank’s burgeoning talents as a solo writer and performer began to resonate with a small but fervent fan base, but breakout success followed in the wake of a string of critically acclaimed albums, resulting in a recent 12 month period in which Frank headlined a sold-out Wembley Arena show and performed by invitation of Danny Boyle at the London 2012 Olympic Opening Ceremony.

Currently on tour in Australasia with a sold out run of UK dates to follow in April ‘The Way I Tend To Be’ is an insightful and arresting documentary for new and diehard fans alike.

This fucking guy and his raggle taggle.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2X9wel01kE

"Nevermind Owt"

I was hoping he had something interesting to say about Thatcher