More "anarchist" fun.
http://moonandbackmusic.com/archives/1323
FT: Something that I find increasingly as i get older is that, ironically enough, there’s a real mainstream political opinion within the music world, which is broadly left wing and if you’re not left wing you really better not mention it, because people will get real fucking shirty with you. To start with, most people don’t seem to understand what the difference between left and right is. For example, the BNP are a hard left party. I consider myself a libertarian, I consider myself to be pretty right wing and I get shit for saying that out loud. I was thinking about it the other day, I was thinking about how, quite often, I do keep myself to myself on the subject because I can’t be fucking bothered to have some guy look all shocked at me because I think socialism’s retarded. Then I actually thought hold on a minute here, one of the many things that everybody preaches, which I sincerely agree with, is fucking stand up for what you believe in. I strongly believe that Che Guevara was a racist, homophobic, murdering thug and I strongly believe that people who wear U.S.S.R. t-shirts are as offensive as people who wear Nazi t-shirts to me because, in fact, they killed considerably more people and I’m fucking passionate about that kind of thing. So I was like I should actually write a song about this, because I do firmly believe it. I do firmly believe that leftist politics lead to the misery of many, the crushing of the little guy and all that kind of thing. I mean, it’s important for me to say that in public because I believe it strongly and that sometimes in life you’ve got to fucking put your foot down.…
IC: Who’re you gonna vote for?
FT: Well, I don’t know. I don’t want to vote for the Coservatives because I think David Cameron’s a shit and the reason he’s a shit is as statused as New Labor. I think New Labor are one of the fucking worst things to happen to this country ever, pretty much. I think, arguably, particularly with the signing of the Lisbon treaty it’s actually the end of about 800 years of continuous parliamentary history. I think the people responsible for the signing of that fucking treaty without asking the people of Britain need to burn in fucking hell.
― Get wolves (DL), Tuesday, 4 September 2012 14:04 (eleven years ago) link
they killed considerably more people and I’m fucking passionate about that kind of thing
― Einstürzende Joebarton (Nilmar Honorato da Silva), Tuesday, 4 September 2012 14:06 (eleven years ago) link
I always thought that "shirty" referred to second base, via this Madness song:
Once went out with a London girlDirty weekend in a hotelBroke it off when she got shirtyShe was twelve and he was thirty
― how's life, Tuesday, 4 September 2012 14:08 (eleven years ago) link
libertarian mourns passing of continuous parliamentary history
― Une ville musulmane dans la Chine du Nord sous les Mongols (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 4 September 2012 14:09 (eleven years ago) link
Libertarian is a wanker shockah.
― Sick Mouthy (Scik Mouthy), Tuesday, 4 September 2012 14:11 (eleven years ago) link
think you need to read his quotes in an authentic sloaney bray to get the full flavour
― Une ville musulmane dans la Chine du Nord sous les Mongols (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 4 September 2012 14:14 (eleven years ago) link
just saw that quote on Facebook, assume it's doing the rounds there and elsewhere
I am frustratingly sure I have a punk zine from c. 1998 with a column/letter (same difference tbh) in which teenage Frank drips with leftist invective - may look again this evening
― it's-a me, irl (DJ Mencap), Tuesday, 4 September 2012 14:26 (eleven years ago) link
The fun doesn't stop there:
http://www.huckmagazine.com/features/frank-turner-interview-short-stories/
― Here he is with the classic "Poème Électronique." Good track (Marcello Carlin), Tuesday, 4 September 2012 15:15 (eleven years ago) link
I also imagine him hollering "HEAR YE, HEAR YE" before each of his responses.
― Gavin, Leeds, Tuesday, 4 September 2012 15:35 (eleven years ago) link
Guardian summary. http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/musicblog/2012/sep/04/frank-turner-right-wing
God to think I had to explain to a group of people just how odious this vom-inducer is the other day...
― This Is... The Police (dog latin), Tuesday, 4 September 2012 17:08 (eleven years ago) link
I'd barely heard of him before the 'lympix opening ceremony, and thought he seemed pretty innocuous there. But now, what a monstrous cockfarmer.
― Sick Mouthy (Scik Mouthy), Tuesday, 4 September 2012 17:11 (eleven years ago) link
is this like Weller's we're all voting conservative of old?
― Mark G, Tuesday, 4 September 2012 17:55 (eleven years ago) link
Even more odious, I'd say.
― Sick Mouthy (Scik Mouthy), Tuesday, 4 September 2012 18:00 (eleven years ago) link
In that Turner seems like an even less liable chap.
Likeable
xps depends, did people take til about 1980 to notice he said it?
― it's-a me, irl (DJ Mencap), Tuesday, 4 September 2012 18:01 (eleven years ago) link
aw I had a lawyer joke all cued up and ready to go
― DARING PRINCESS (DJP), Tuesday, 4 September 2012 18:01 (eleven years ago) link
Weller made one comment, primarily as a wind-up - Turner talks about this at length and reads Hayek. It's up to you which you find more odious. Personally, I can't stand anyone who whiffs of Atlas Shrugged so I'd take Weller's old school trolling any day.
― Get wolves (DL), Tuesday, 4 September 2012 18:08 (eleven years ago) link
I'd barely heard of him before the 'lympix opening ceremony, and thought he seemed pretty innocuous there.
there was nothing innocuous about that shit
― lex pretend, Tuesday, 4 September 2012 18:10 (eleven years ago) link
Just found out he went to the LSE. Guess he'd have been in the same year as me. There's an incredibly strong, incredibly odd, libertarian vibe to the study body that, by and large, isn't shared by the staff. It's the only university i'm aware of that has a Hayek society. Might explain where some of this comes from more than Eton.
― Temporarily Famous In The Czech Republic (ShariVari), Tuesday, 4 September 2012 18:15 (eleven years ago) link
Browsing on a music messageboard earlier today, I came across a thread devoted to Frank Turner, which linked to an interview he gave last year.
haha
― VOTE in the 1980's ROCK POLL PLEASE! (Algerian Goalkeeper), Tuesday, 4 September 2012 18:18 (eleven years ago) link
Yeah. Last time I linked to something on ILX in public there was an anguished debate about whether this was what the world needed, though. So this time I kept it to "a music messageboard".
― Manfred Mann meets Man Parrish (ithappens), Tuesday, 4 September 2012 18:20 (eleven years ago) link
Was asked to write the blog by an editor, after the Twitter stuff all day. Was a little reluctant, cos it's old news, but I've never seen this stuff picked up in the mainstream before; took the MP tweeting about it for it to be worth bringing up on a blog, really. Someone from the Independent tweeted that they'd got rightwing stuff from him in an interview, but it was nothing like as extreme as the stuff in those interviews I took from. Took care to quote at length precisely so people couldn't say I was taking him out of context.
Expecting to be unable to look at my Twitter for a couple of days once the fanbase mobilise.
― Manfred Mann meets Man Parrish (ithappens), Tuesday, 4 September 2012 18:23 (eleven years ago) link
also paul weller was in the jam and this fuckstain is some kinda prep school fake working class Sir Punklesworth Cougar Mellencamp III who writes godawful music
― Jandek at the Disco (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 4 September 2012 18:25 (eleven years ago) link
ahh i didn't know it was you!
xp
― VOTE in the 1980's ROCK POLL PLEASE! (Algerian Goalkeeper), Tuesday, 4 September 2012 18:30 (eleven years ago) link
countdown to a duet with Nicki Minaj starts now
― Ludo, Tuesday, 4 September 2012 18:33 (eleven years ago) link
Wiki reckons Turner went to Eton on a scholarship. Even though his father was an investment banker and his grandfather was chairman of British Home Stores. Which suggests he might not have needed a scholarship.
― Sick Mouthy (Scik Mouthy), Tuesday, 4 September 2012 18:38 (eleven years ago) link
depends, maybe his father was a terrible banker
― DARING PRINCESS (DJP), Tuesday, 4 September 2012 18:50 (eleven years ago) link
Like that matters
― Jandek at the Disco (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 4 September 2012 18:52 (eleven years ago) link
american libertarians are at least explicable within that country's history & tradition of anti-federalism etc, so within certain limits deserve pity as much derision
libertarians from countries other than america are peculiarly hateful
― Einstürzende Joebarton (Nilmar Honorato da Silva), Tuesday, 4 September 2012 19:00 (eleven years ago) link
idk if i'm willing to buy that distinction but it is interesting
― Newgod joins this board, and quickly he's some dude (goole), Tuesday, 4 September 2012 19:17 (eleven years ago) link
let's take over the thread on this useless cunt to talk about the old right
― Newgod joins this board, and quickly he's some dude (goole), Tuesday, 4 September 2012 19:18 (eleven years ago) link
a paleoconservative congressman from idaho vomitting all over their shoes in the restroom of a hooters has more dignity than frank turner could ever even aspire to
― Einstürzende Joebarton (Nilmar Honorato da Silva), Tuesday, 4 September 2012 19:20 (eleven years ago) link
jeez ithappens give credit where it's due, what this board needs is dozens of frank turner acolytes.
this guy is a remarkable all-time tool.
― tubular, mondo, gnabry (Merdeyeux), Tuesday, 4 September 2012 19:38 (eleven years ago) link
If they turn up even the most mild-mannered posters would be zinging them.
― VOTE in the 1980's ROCK POLL PLEASE! (Algerian Goalkeeper), Tuesday, 4 September 2012 19:42 (eleven years ago) link
For example, the BNP are a hard left party. For example, the BNP are a hard left party. For example, the BNP are a hard left party. For example, the BNP are a hard left party.
― B-Boy Bualadh Bos (ecuador_with_a_c), Tuesday, 4 September 2012 20:04 (eleven years ago) link
Norman Tebbit tried a few times in the past few years to promote that line.
― VOTE in the 1980's ROCK POLL PLEASE! (Algerian Goalkeeper), Tuesday, 4 September 2012 20:10 (eleven years ago) link
They should lock this guy and Bobby Gillespie in a room with a shitload of booze and record what happens.
― Matt DC, Tuesday, 4 September 2012 20:12 (eleven years ago) link
and MIA
― lex pretend, Tuesday, 4 September 2012 20:15 (eleven years ago) link
And Nicki Minaj.
― Sick Mouthy (Scik Mouthy), Tuesday, 4 September 2012 20:15 (eleven years ago) link
And Hinder
― DARING PRINCESS (DJP), Tuesday, 4 September 2012 20:16 (eleven years ago) link
frank turner would probably try to sodomize bobby gillespie with a vodka bottle
― Einstürzende Joebarton (Nilmar Honorato da Silva), Tuesday, 4 September 2012 20:18 (eleven years ago) link
You say that like it's a bad thing.
― passive-aggressive display name (aldo), Tuesday, 4 September 2012 21:34 (eleven years ago) link
Turner replies: http://frank-turner.com/blog/2012/09/schmolitics/
― mike t-diva, Wednesday, 5 September 2012 08:04 (eleven years ago) link
Checking his "following" list was quite good fun, BTW. James Delingpole! Toby Young! Guido Fawkes!
― mike t-diva, Wednesday, 5 September 2012 08:06 (eleven years ago) link
"I don’t consider myself “right wing” either."
Right, yeah, no idea where people got this idea from, apart from you saying "I consider myself to be pretty right wing" in an interview that one time.
― Gavin, Leeds, Wednesday, 5 September 2012 08:13 (eleven years ago) link
today has fucking sucked, actually
i cried a little bit
― Une ville musulmane dans la Chine du Nord sous les Mongols (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 5 September 2012 10:28 (eleven years ago) link
I wonder about people who pick up the BNP policy document and say "yes yes all that, but what are their economic policies like?", I mean, who cares?
― Mark G, Wednesday, 5 September 2012 11:04 (eleven years ago) link
also:
http://images.45cat.com/shakin-stevens-cry-just-a-little-bit-epic-2.jpg
Chris T-T is friends with this douche? Many sadfaces.
― emil.y, Wednesday, 5 September 2012 13:34 (eleven years ago) link