Fleetwood Mac: Classic or Dud

I'm sure this has been posted, but this 1975 concert is pretty illuminating. An odd transitional period from blues rock to Buckingham/Nicks, I believe well before the self-titled album had taken off. Christine is really into this, Buckingham/Nicks have yet to become the "stars."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xxDskCL-EHk&feature=related

xpost Buckingham was really into pot c. "Rumours." Clearly his interests ... expanded.

The producers and engineers have to strike a balance. They can't abstain, because it would kill the mood, but they can't drink, because it hampered their skills. One would always have to get high with Lindsey, the other one tried to limit his smoking for the sake of stability. Coke was in and out of the scene around then, but at least so far in the book is doesn't seem to be as much of a problem as alcohol, which in particular turned McVie from the nicest guy in the world into a big asshole, which would spark fights with Christine, which would set off Lindsey and Stevie ...

I really liked that Rumours book a lot. John McVie's daily studio routine (come in early and already drinking hard, get surly hammered by the time everyone else is in their groove and go home early, yet still lay down killer tracks) boggled me.

seriously though, what was the rain room for? Just a vibes thing?

Never explained!

From a 1984 Rolling Stone piece:

Lindsey Buckingham is standing in the "rain room." This is his favorite room in the house --- other than the recording studio. The room has a glass ceiling. Flip a switch and a gentle shower of water begins pitter-pattering against the roof --- as if it were raining. "It's great for freaking people out," he says, smiling. "You just turn it on without saying anything, and you're in here talking, and suddenly they think it's raining." the room also contains an immense pine tree growing right out of the floor and up through a hole in the ceiling.

Here's the whole thing, which I guess is interesting: http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:hVgyDFYMEVEJ:bla.fleetwoodmac.net/index.php%3Fpage%3Dindex_v2%26id%3D60%26c%3D9+&cd=3&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

How did he keep rain from coming in around the edges of the tree trunk? Was there some kind of huge gasket?

xpost. I've heard both a million times before, but while watching that Capital Center video realized that the intro to Station Man could just as easily have gone into Think About Me. Also, for some weird reason I never noticed that Lindsey (with beard and 'fro) looks a hell of a lot like Peter Green! Has anyone ever remarked on that? So weird...

http://www.streamingoldies.com/content-images/streamingoldies.com/0524-Peter-Green.jpg

http://www.buckinghamnicks.net/lb/images/LBuckAlbum.JPG

Maybe that's why Lindsey ditched the Les Paul!

Coke turning up more and more in this book. The producers are such doofuses here. "I hear a hit!" "I smell a Grammy!" "Let's make some magic!" "Let's kick some ass!"

Also, not surprised to hear that Lindsey is basically a control-freak dick. Somewhere at the start of the book the author actually writes "I found (and still find) Lindsey to be extraordinarily talented, extraordinarily opinionated, and extraordinarily annoying."

I couldn't imagine dating that man.

Also, not surprised to hear that Lindsey is basically a control-freak dick.

I never understood why the accusations of violence against LB in Carol Ann Harris’ book were just sort of left out there on the table. AFAIK LB was never asked to confirm/deny it, and you would think accusations of that kind against any kind of public or semi-public figure would have been picked up by someone in the media, even if it was just some blogger. Maybe (as you suggested) there’s an assumption of that kind of thing coming with the territory among creative types (but I think that’s inaccurate, or at least shouldn’t be excused), or maybe there’s an ‘he’s not a major star anymore, so no one cares about it’ (but if no one cares, how did CAH get a book deal?) effect. Anyway, both the allegations and the non-response to it kind of bugged me,

I'm not saying it's just you, Josh -- I mean, to my knowledge no journalist has so much as asked Lindsey about this. And I don't think it ultimately changes how I feel about his music. But I'm really kind of stunned at how people can kinda just write this shit off -- as if he's just some kind of spastic artist who sometimes just couldn't control himself. It's pretty clearly a lot more than that -- and wholly indefensible.

I want a "rain room" in my house.....

<I>The producers are such doofuses here. "I hear a hit!" "I smell a Grammy!" "Let's make some magic!" "Let's kick some ass!"</I>

Haha, yes, the behind the scenes stuff and the delving into the specifics and mechanics of making the record are terrific, but after reading the book there's little doubt that someone as corny and silly as Ken Caillat fathered someone as dull as Colbie Caillat. (Who gets mentioned in the book far more than an editor should have let him get away with.)

xpost I'm not forgiving Buckingham his alleged abuses, or defending him. But if I'm being honest, I don't really know how to process the information, which so far has dribbled out in passing in belated behind the scenes books, one of which is a chronicle of an admittedly mutually self-destructive relationship fueled by copious hard drug use. I guess I'm not surprised. For all I've read and seen of similarly mutually self-destructive co-dependent drug user tales, any number of abuses seem par for the course. God knows, given the standard rock star treatment of women as documented countless times in books, movies, documentaries, article and, yes, law suits, amplified by excessive drugs, power and other perks of fame that accord the illusion of invincibility, I'd be shocked if physical abuse of some sort was not a common occurrence in rock star relationships. Because verbal and mental abuse sure seems to be a mainstay.

Again, not a defense. I'm just surprised more stories like hers regarding other musicians haven't made the rounds. Has Stevie ever alleged abuse? Anne Heche?

Wow, looking at reviews of her book on Amazon, which run the gamut (as usual), I found a comment from Jeremy Spencer! Who proceeds to get in a back and forth with her!

http://www.amazon.com/review/R2ID24GLLQB6U8/ref=cm_cr_pr_cmt?ie=UTF8&ASIN=1556526601&linkCode=&nodeID=&tag=#wasThisHelpful

http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2012/dec/04/fleetwood-mac-plan-world-tour-2013

YESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYES

Sweet. Please play near my house.

saw them last time they were in london, amazing (obviously) but man i would love it if christine was there

I wouldn't mind another 'Mac album, actually... it's been a good few years since the last one!

irredeemable dud, but "tell me lies" takes me back to the 80s, when my mom would have this terrible soft-rock radio station on after picking me up from swim practice.

Get out of here

poliopolice with fake troll cool shit

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I do not want to meet Mick Fleetwood but I very much do want to be in the first few rows, what to do?

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Meet & Greet with Mick Fleetwood
VIP Q&A with Mick Fleetwood onstage at his Drum Kit while he soundchecks
Personal Photo with Mick Fleetwood
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I do not want to meet Mick Fleetwood but I very much do want to be in the first few rows, what to do?

...get an amex

just picked up a nice vinyl copy of future games this week. what a great record...title track is absolutely stunning

yep. listening to mystery to me right now - the sleeper years (bet green and buck/nicks) are a gift that keeps giving

I realised today that "Isn't It Midnight" is like The Cure's Disintegration played at the wrong speed.

and with one extra riff

I'm getting sticker shock at the prices of tix for this tour so far. I realize Lil Stevie told us, years ago, that she didn't want to be a cleaning lady, so I shouldn't be surprised, but still... yikes.

It'll be my only arena show in ages, and probably their last go at this, so will bite the bullet.

Christine or GTFO for me, yep.

I thought the acronym was GYOW.

I feel you, though.

is there anything more glorious than the end to this performance? buckingham's vocal

http://youtu.be/XoMWa3jRtLo?t=3m47s

man that's straight-up fire

lmfao i had no idea "little lies" was by fleetwood fucking mac until today, wtf i though that was tiffany or smthn

Excellent performance. This reissue is moving towards essential territory now, sadly.

lmfao i had no idea "little lies" was by fleetwood fucking mac until today, wtf i though that was tiffany or smthn

The arrangement boasts too many off-kilter filigrees (those breathy "close my close my close my eyes" harmonies, the synthesized chimes) to confuse it for Tiffany!

Well it's not the remasters of Mirage and Tango in the Night that we've been waiting for, but how about a Rumours 4-CD/1-DVD/1-LP Super Deluxe Edition and, amazingly enough, a separate 3-CD version for people who already own the 2004 2-CD reissue?

http://www.superdeluxeedition.com/news/fleetwood-mac-rumours-super-deluxe-edition-6-disc-box-set/

i really wish this deluxe edition trend would stop

i guess that you tube studio footage comes from an unreleased doc that is in the set! woo hop!! (my bank account is a deluxe box set sieve, sad but true)

woo hoo i meant

20 Sept Dublin, Ireland - O2 Dublin
24 Sept London, UK - O2 Arena
29 Sept Birmingham, UK - LG Arena
1 Oct Manchester, UK - Manchester Arena
3 Oct Glasgow, UK - The Hydro
6 Oct Cologne, Germany - Lanxess Arena
7 Oct Amsterdam, Netherlands - Ziggo Dome
9 Oct Antwerp, Belgium - Sport Palais
11 Oct Paris, France - Bercy
13 Oct Zurich, Switzerland - Hallenstadion
14 Oct Stuttgart, Germany - Schleyerhalle
16 Oct Berlin, Germany - O2 World
18 Oct Herning, Denmark - Jynske Bank Boxen
20 Oct Oslo, Norway - Oslo Spektrum
23 Oct Stockholm, Sweden - Globen
25 Oct Helsinki, Finland - Hartwall Areena

that would be swell, except

Price Range
£88.00 - £137.50

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