RESULTS (of the very nebulously defined) 110 ELECTRONIC DANCE TRACKS of the 00s

Bodzin's sound has not dated well and I think most people understand what I'm saying here.

I can't recall a Luciano track that stands out. I mean his original track, not colab or remix.

it's funny then, because at least 50% of these tracks won't be remembered in a couple of years, either.

also anyone with ears can hear that "Liebe Ist" is a fucking rad track.

Awesome Luciano standalones or collabos off the top of my head:

Octagonal
Bomberos
Orange Mistake
Stone Age
Mother, Madre & Mere

amelie on ice!

"I mean his original track, not colab or remix."

micarl., the reason why that argument doesn't stand up, to me, is that there are tons of remixes on this list! and luciano has done some rad remixes.

i think, though, that some of my problems with some of the tracks here is that they are explicitly "dance" tracks, and while i am very invested in dance music, i am more invested in "electronic" music.

thus, this remix of Salif Keita by Luciano, which ranks as one of my favorite remixes of the past ten years or so. it's so gorgeous, so lush, so ....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YP6q_MZXU1U

anyway, that was my way of saying, "sorry for being cantankerous."

also four of the tunes I listed were original standalone tunes.

I actually like Bodzin, but, pretty much:

Bodzin's sound has not dated well and I think most people understand what I'm saying here.

And yeah, Luciano deserves some sort of spot somewhere.

Bodzin's basic blueprint (robot-goth moroder) still seems pretty influential on a lot of the stuff playing in more underground gay clubs, I find.

I suppose its deliberate torpidity now would strike many as very mid-00s.

Wish I could find the 2006 Bodzin DJ set i used to listen to with stuff like "SL Mirage" and "Atlas" and "Miranda" etc. on it, felt really massive at the time.

Arguably one of the upshots of the return of "proper" techno has been the almost writing out of history of that slower hard busted-machine tech-house sound that seemed (to me) so fresh and vital throughout the mid-00s - Bodzin's sound was the more minimal-influenced tail-end of this but I really think of it taking off in about 2002/2003 with Areal, Sender, some Sami Koivikko.

I remember tunes like Misc's "Momentum" and Basteroid's "Against Luftwiderstand" were absolutely massive for me - very much in a EBM vein but too meticulous and inventive in their production values too seem retro - which ironically is probably why all this stuff now seems really "off its time".

sorry, "of its time" I mean.

2004 so pre-Bodzin, but this mix was enormous for me, I wish I still had it:

http://www.tribemagazine.com/board/dj-mixes/81986-lo-fi-glitchy-drug-beats-matt-coleridge-solution-radio-12-07-04-a.html

okay so that mix sums up a lot of what i like about that period of music, too.

(as in it doesn't download any longer, which is sad, but i know these tracks nonetheless)

when you guys start talking about minimal and tech-house and whatever is when my eyes glaze over :/

Do you like any more techno-oriented stuff rev?

All this talk of mid decade tech house makes me want to go listen to Ripperton or something on Connaisseur again.

Sass: absolutely not, I don't even think I knowingly heard any of the Aeroplane stuff in this poll before the countdown. I hadn't realised Orange Mistake was 03, that's not too bad, but Luciano is soo ridiculously overrated on here, alongside a lot of other big-room minimal schminimal. If you want to see who I voted for, my votes are postd up thead though.

Luciano is hilariously bad, vagabundos lol

I hadn't realised Orange Mistake was 03, that's not too bad, but Luciano is soo ridiculously overrated on here, alongside a lot of other big-room minimal schminimal.

This from the guy with four Mathew Jonson/Cobblestone Jazz tunes in his ballot.

Also keep in mind that mental groove era early luciano is often a lot better than the Cadenza stuff he's known for too.

Hahahah, good call Tim. I think I hadn't listened to those Cobblestone Jazz tracks for a long time and they were just working for me when I polled. If you polled me again today I'd probably only have one Cobblestone in there and no Jonson.

Although, I'd probably only say India In Me was minimal. 5th Element most certainly isn't, and Marionette is straight-up prog really.

No jonson is pretty o_0 though, c'mon, marionette! typerope!

The only Jonson tunes I considered voting for were "Dump Truck" and "Typerope" and in the end neither made the cut. Not because they're not good enough, but the sheer glut of stuff I was in love with from that era means it's difficult to rep for it all properly.

Most annoyed at myself for leaving off "Ihre Personliche Glucksmelodie".

It sounds familiar that track, good pick.

Do you like any more techno-oriented stuff rev?

― Tim F, Saturday, September 1, 2012 2:30 AM Bookmark

Cybotron's "Clear" is about as far into techno as I've ever gotten :/

so no, not really.

1) Luciano's Sci.Fi.Hi.Fi mix is still a great document of a very specific time in electronic dance music.
2) Luciano's "Octogonal" is still a really great, menacing slice of minimal.
3) Anyone who put Cobblestone Jazz on their ballot can't talk shit about the "boring minimal" or whatever of the md-2000s. Cobblestone Jazz were, by far, the most overrated producers of that whole period.

and Rev, do you like UR stuff? Juke? Old Green Velvet or Cajmere?

Romanthony?

Nu Groove stuff?

Juke, yeah (but more the ghetto house-y end than the footwork-y end). Cajmere, yeah. Romanthony, eh. Not really that up on the other stuff.

I don't really think of Juke or Cajmere or Romanthony as "techno" tho.

Marionette (both sides) is sick

Luciano doubters need to check his lp on peace frog

It's not especially minimal

Do you like any more techno-oriented stuff rev?

― Tim F, Saturday, September 1, 2012 2:30 AM Bookmark

Cybotron's "Clear" is about as far into techno as I've ever gotten :/

― The Reverend, Saturday, September 1, 2012 6:25 PM (4 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I think there's a lot of techno and stuff that sounds more like techno (than house or dubstep or w/e) that rhythmically is quite interesting and would chime in well with the other dance music you like, even when adhering rather deliberately to a 4X4 beat (and i've rather deliberately chosen an example of such):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VqEpyAW6fVg

Separately but connected, a lot of minimal was really house but with a lot of the same kind of ideas about rhythm as a lot of post-dubstep you like:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_RFp-3cbSh8

that metope tune is fucking incredible. bomb tune.

I know! I've always thought it was a bit underrated - Areal was one of those labels whose aesthetic (sonically, visually) was so strong that it was really hard for any artist other than Ada to define themselves separately during that era, and a consequence of that is that IME people tend to remember the Areal sound but not the individual tunes.

Which is an odd outcome given how idiosyncratic a lot of it was on a tune by tune level, and the fact that producers like Metope and Basteroid sound pretty different to one another.

First track didn't do anything for me, second one was really good tho.

You might really like some of the techno on the edges of broken beat like Titonton Duvante.

Some of the artists on Delsin, maybe even Aardvarck?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Nx1ova5BSG8#!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3eI-mF0d03Y

Also I thank the ILM massive for not voting any Claude von Stroke into this poll.

OMG, we forgot Who's Afraid of Detroit!

Actually I'm pretty fine with zero fidget house in this poll. Some sounds we just shouldn't go back to.