pretty weird. is that an actual warhol design?
― tylerw, Tuesday, 28 August 2012 15:01 (eleven years ago) link
I think so, yes. That comp was actually my first ever VU record so I have a soft spot for it. It also seems to be rather rare.
― my father will guide me up the stairs to bed (anagram), Tuesday, 28 August 2012 15:08 (eleven years ago) link
The first three were long out of print, at least in Canada--I bought import copies of the first and Loaded sometime around '78, then spent the next few years going from used store to used store, trying to find reasonably priced copies of #2 and #3. I wrote about this never-ending search once.
― clemenza, Tuesday, 28 August 2012 15:33 (eleven years ago) link
Ditto.
― Mark G, Tuesday, 28 August 2012 15:37 (eleven years ago) link
The first Velvets comp I had was a German double from the early 70s, with a green cover with a sort of sub-Roger Dean design on it. It also had tracks from "Chelsea Girl" on it.
The comp with the Warhol cover gets a mention in Julian Cope's "Head on" as both his and Ian McCullough's intro to the Velvets, around 1973.
― Rob M Revisited, Tuesday, 28 August 2012 17:09 (eleven years ago) link
My copy of Loaded:
http://static.rateyourmusic.com/album_images/0a2054f6bb8977ea4a69ad46a602eb82/674127.jpg
― clemenza, Tuesday, 28 August 2012 17:12 (eleven years ago) link
I found decent copies of the Verve originals for ~$10 each around 1990 at Rockaway Records of Los Angeles. Actually, now that I think of it my 3rd version may not be original, because when I first heard the closet mix of "Some Kinda Love" I was like "uh...... wtf?!?!!??!"
― queequeg (peter grasswich), Tuesday, 28 August 2012 17:17 (eleven years ago) link
i got used copies of all the original VU lps in the 90s for fairly cheap -- can't imagine I paid more than $10 for any of them. not that they were in great condition or anything. only half a banana ;_;
― tylerw, Tuesday, 28 August 2012 17:21 (eleven years ago) link
just realised that i've never heard the non-closet mix of the 3rd album, is it really that different? only know i have the closet mix on vinyl cos someone remarked upon it when i played once
― zappi, Tuesday, 28 August 2012 17:34 (eleven years ago) link
on the non-closet version, some kinda love is a totally different (imo superior) take of the song. other differences are negligible to my ears.
― tylerw, Tuesday, 28 August 2012 17:35 (eleven years ago) link
here's the non-closethttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fh-GNnCwHj4and the closethttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pc8kMbL7y3o
― tylerw, Tuesday, 28 August 2012 17:37 (eleven years ago) link
actually my fave version of that song is probably on live 1969
closet mix is basically just Lou's vocals louder, right? I think I only listened to it a couple times cuz it was on the Peel Slowly box. was not particularly impressed.
― chicago rap twitter luminary (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 28 August 2012 17:39 (eleven years ago) link
wow that's a totally different take of Some Kinda Love huhtotally jarring listen after 20+ years of playing the other version!
― zappi, Tuesday, 28 August 2012 17:41 (eleven years ago) link
I don't think it's a different take...? just a different mix.
― chicago rap twitter luminary (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 28 August 2012 17:46 (eleven years ago) link
pretty sure it's at least a different vocal take. think it might be a different instrumental take altogether too, but i suppose it could just be a different mix.
― tylerw, Tuesday, 28 August 2012 17:50 (eleven years ago) link
Didn't know anything about that. I have the closet version. I have no idea what it has to do with a closet.
― clemenza, Tuesday, 28 August 2012 17:51 (eleven years ago) link
Lou was in the closet iirc
― chicago rap twitter luminary (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 28 August 2012 17:52 (eleven years ago) link
pretty sure it's at least a different vocal take.
a lot of the inflections/line readings are *really* similar in each version, but I'm not sure
― chicago rap twitter luminary (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 28 August 2012 17:53 (eleven years ago) link
here's what sal mercuri says in his peel slowly review: The box offers Lou's infamous 'closet mix', which is not better or worse than the more familiar Val Valentin mix, just different. The difference is one between an artist, and an engineer - one works to depict a personal vision, the other turns knobs and manipulates levers competently. As this box is intended to finally honor the band and their vision, it's only fitting that original mix be used. The most obvious variation is the alternate take of 'Some Kinda Love'. In the Valentin version, the take used features jangling guitars and straight ahead vocals typical of the band's live renditions of that song. The closet mix version sounds much more desperate, like Lou was lying on the floor, on the nod, with a microphone placed nearby as he mutters the virtues of all kinds of love.
― tylerw, Tuesday, 28 August 2012 17:53 (eleven years ago) link
What I mean is, if the words are identical in the two versions (which is what most of these posts indicate), why is one any more closety than the other?
― clemenza, Tuesday, 28 August 2012 17:54 (eleven years ago) link
Okay, sorry--tyler's long post seems to answer that.
― clemenza, Tuesday, 28 August 2012 17:55 (eleven years ago) link
sterling morrison coined the "closet mix" -- he said it sounded like it was recorded in a closet. i think he meant it as a compliment though! since we're VU-ing it today -- here's something i just posted over on ye olde blog: a live show from march 1969. http://doomandgloomfromthetomb.tumblr.com/post/30395247670/endless-revisions-in-honor-of-sterling-morrisons
― tylerw, Tuesday, 28 August 2012 17:58 (eleven years ago) link
There are a lot of differences between the two, but I only have the closet mix so I can't really rattle them off. I used to be friends with this guy who owned the Valentin mix who got really agitated when he was at my apartment and I played the closet mix. He basically gave me a live commentary pointing out all of the differences. I specifically remember him ranting about how the closet mix ruined "Jesus".
― cwkiii, Tuesday, 28 August 2012 18:02 (eleven years ago) link
i just heard the valentin mix first so that's the one i prefer -- but the closet mix is fine too. feel like the drums are a little less prominent in the mix, the vocals are kinda higher above everything else. i mean, i don't care too much, it's an amazing record either way.
― tylerw, Tuesday, 28 August 2012 18:05 (eleven years ago) link
though i guess, according to sundazed, i've never really "had" this record.
― tylerw, Tuesday, 28 August 2012 18:08 (eleven years ago) link
sterling morrison coined the "closet mix" -- he said it sounded like it was recorded in a closet.
Okay--so it's a metaphorical closet, but also a physical space. I've got it straight. I mean, I get it.
― clemenza, Tuesday, 28 August 2012 18:08 (eleven years ago) link
even rarer still is lou's "i'm exploring my sexuality" mix.
― tylerw, Tuesday, 28 August 2012 18:11 (eleven years ago) link
same performances different mixes imo. mix is such a huge thing. prefer the weirdo closet mix but it's the one I had back when - the other one they sound like a jangly pop band with a bad singer, not a weird band that can't really be compared to anybody else
― steven fucking tyler (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Tuesday, 28 August 2012 18:13 (eleven years ago) link
I’ve always preferred the closet mixes. They sound more intimate to these ears.
― Jazzbo, Tuesday, 28 August 2012 18:27 (eleven years ago) link
I'm new to ILM but have had suspicions that many of the posters here are as deaf as doorknobs, and reading all the posts that think that the closet mix of "Some Kinda Love" is the same performance as the non-closet mix absolutely confirms it.
Peter G. (aka "il queequeg")
― queequeg (peter grasswich), Tuesday, 28 August 2012 18:35 (eleven years ago) link
haha! y'all been burned. yeah i think it's a diff performance too.
― tylerw, Tuesday, 28 August 2012 18:37 (eleven years ago) link
maybe we can get some real musicians in here to make the final judgement.
― tylerw, Tuesday, 28 August 2012 18:38 (eleven years ago) link
okay I A/B'd 'em (hard to sync em up with one being shorter than the other) and yeah they're different, albeit very similar, vocal takes. Dunno about the guitars, the closet mix seems to drop one of the guitar tracks altogether which makes it hard to tell.
― chicago rap twitter luminary (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 28 August 2012 18:42 (eleven years ago) link
yeah, if it's the same performance lou has (surprise!) mixed his guitar wayyyyyyy the hell up. but yeah, there are some different vocal intonations throughout.
― tylerw, Tuesday, 28 August 2012 18:44 (eleven years ago) link
Well, for starters, Lou begins the closet mix with "Some kinds of love," where as "love" is singular in the non-closeted version.
― Choogle Image Search (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Tuesday, 28 August 2012 18:54 (eleven years ago) link
Oops, that's "kinds" is singular.
just noticed that the nuns blog is invite only.. anyone know how to get access?
― diamonddave85, Tuesday, 28 August 2012 19:14 (eleven years ago) link
I'm new to ILM but have had suspicions that many of the posters here are as deaf as doorknobs, and reading all the posts that think that the closet mix of "Some Kinda Love" is the same performance as the non-closet mix absolutely confirms it.Of course they're different performances. I just prefer what are commonly known as the "closet mixes."Having said that, I am as deaf as a doorknob. I blame that on a Clash show in '82.
― Jazzbo, Tuesday, 28 August 2012 19:15 (eleven years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=daIsBjJmGJY
― tylerw, Tuesday, 28 August 2012 19:16 (eleven years ago) link
^^^^i believe that's an early mix of white light white heat they've dug up for some soundtrack
― tylerw, Tuesday, 28 August 2012 19:21 (eleven years ago) link
yeah, it was a hillbilly cover all along?
Ralph Stanley returning it to its bootlegging roots, think he does that with a few songs on that s/trk.Could be all thanks to having Nick Cave as musical director. Think he talked about it in that interview in that Observer last Sunday http://www.guardian.co.uk/film/2012/aug/26/lawless-nick-cave-interview?fb=native
― Stevolende, Tuesday, 28 August 2012 20:50 (eleven years ago) link
WTF at that Ralph Stanley version
― chicago rap twitter luminary (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 28 August 2012 21:06 (eleven years ago) link
I've recorded many, many albums & I'd wager that they're the same performance. Vocally & all. I think some of you don't really know just how different a mix can make a song. I could be wrong, but having gone through the mixing process many, many times, I don't think I am. You guys know that whole parts get taken out in mix that can be present in a different mix of the same performance, right? So, for example, the drum track & the vocal track can be the same while the guitars are different...or some vocal phrases can be dropped in or out, replaced with pieces from different takes...etc, etc. This was all doable by any local engineer when the track was recorded. Substantially, these are the same take, with some possible different mixing decisions about keeping or leaving out other stuff.
― steven fucking tyler (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Tuesday, 28 August 2012 21:08 (eleven years ago) link
OTOH it is also true that I'm completely deaf.
― steven fucking tyler (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Tuesday, 28 August 2012 21:09 (eleven years ago) link
haha, i *was* kidding, aero -- i know there are real musicians around here.
― tylerw, Tuesday, 28 August 2012 21:09 (eleven years ago) link
http://images2.fanpop.com/images/photos/5200000/Steven-steven-tyler-5217884-385-480.jpg
― tylerw, Tuesday, 28 August 2012 21:14 (eleven years ago) link
huh, never knew about the different mixes. my LP is the closet mix.
― dmr, Tuesday, 28 August 2012 21:15 (eleven years ago) link
http://olivier.landemaine.free.fr/vu/live/1968/vuad6805.gif
― tylerw, Tuesday, 28 August 2012 21:19 (eleven years ago) link
I just listened to both mixes. Vocals are different, the closet mix also has only one guitar which sounds to me like neither of the guitars on the original vinyl mix. The percussion and the bas could very well be the same though.
― wise men farting over you (snoball), Tuesday, 28 August 2012 21:19 (eleven years ago) link