Is SPIN really circling the drain?

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this is a really good dissection of why the song and its message suck

http://daintyblackpegasus.tumblr.com/post/30109701002

lex pretend, Friday, 24 August 2012 18:53 (thirteen years ago)

also

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBhXr1U-E78

lex pretend, Friday, 24 August 2012 19:01 (thirteen years ago)

did somebody really say that "99 Problems" "sensitively deconstructed" the use of the word "bitch"? that is my main question here

steven fucking tyler (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Friday, 24 August 2012 19:11 (thirteen years ago)

have quibbles w that daintyblackpegasus piece, but the gist is otm

i know your nuts hurt! who's laughing? (contenderizer), Friday, 24 August 2012 19:12 (thirteen years ago)

did somebody really say that "99 Problems" "sensitively deconstructed" the use of the word "bitch"? that is my main question here

― steven fucking tyler (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Friday, August 24, 2012 2:11 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

no fucking way....also i mean i know this is corny and and old man rap to say but it's really annoying that no one ever gives credit to ice-t for the damn line in the first place.

Jandek at the Disco (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 24 August 2012 19:15 (thirteen years ago)

Brandon Shackelford 3 hours ago
As a person named Brandon, I'm offended that a person named Brandon would write this biased and dismissive article over a great song/video.

The rain in Spin circles mainly on the mansplain (D-40), Friday, 24 August 2012 19:35 (thirteen years ago)

this has sent major shockwaves through the brandon community, it's all over twitter

Jandek at the Disco (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 24 August 2012 19:36 (thirteen years ago)

i liked when someone commented calling it a "b.s. article"

young money color me badd (J0rdan S.), Friday, 24 August 2012 19:37 (thirteen years ago)

no fucking way....also i mean i know this is corny and and old man rap to say but it's really annoying that no one ever gives credit to ice-t for the damn line in the first place.

― Jandek at the Disco (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, August 24, 2012 2:15 PM (20 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

maybe he meant the pimp c-quoting line about 'ain't a bitch in a sense of having a pussy.' i wouldn't call it 'sensitively' but you could stretch that to being a deconstruction

The rain in Spin circles mainly on the mansplain (D-40), Friday, 24 August 2012 19:42 (thirteen years ago)

i know you REAL HIP HOP HEADS only listen to "Snoopy Track" or whatever, but in the song "99 Problems," the three verses individually use the word "bitch" in the tag line to mean, respectively, 1. a derogatory term for a woman; 2. a female dog, 3. an effeminate man

Fareed Zaireeka (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 24 August 2012 19:44 (thirteen years ago)

the song does deconstruct the word but it's hardly "sensitive"

The Radioheads are massive in the Man community (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 24 August 2012 19:45 (thirteen years ago)

isnt that a misuse of deconstruction? idk

The rain in Spin circles mainly on the mansplain (D-40), Friday, 24 August 2012 19:58 (thirteen years ago)

a song cant deconstruct something, deconstruction simply is, etc etc

idk i never went to grad school

The rain in Spin circles mainly on the mansplain (D-40), Friday, 24 August 2012 19:59 (thirteen years ago)

even in the loosest sense, i would imagine that deconstruction involves more than pointing out that a word has multiple meanings

bugler, Friday, 24 August 2012 20:07 (thirteen years ago)

otm. wordplay can critique language, but it's a stretch too far to call 99 problems a "deconstruction" of the word bitch.

i know your nuts hurt! who's laughing? (contenderizer), Friday, 24 August 2012 20:13 (thirteen years ago)

i know you REAL HIP HOP HEADS only listen to "Snoopy Track" or whatever, but in the song "99 Problems," the three verses individually use the word "bitch" in the tag line to mean, respectively, 1. a derogatory term for a woman; 2. a female dog, 3. an effeminate man

― Fareed Zaireeka (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, August 24, 2012 2:44 PM (31 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

^^woah that's amazing, i never notice that word could be used in those 3 ways before

Jandek at the Disco (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 24 August 2012 20:17 (thirteen years ago)

verse one also implies critics bitching, tbf

i know your nuts hurt! who's laughing? (contenderizer), Friday, 24 August 2012 20:18 (thirteen years ago)

http://www.slate.com/blogs/browbeat/2012/08/24/spin_accuses_lupe_fiasco_of_mansplaining_with_bad_bitch_.html

The rain in Spin circles mainly on the mansplain (D-40), Friday, 24 August 2012 20:31 (thirteen years ago)

think i'd quite like the awful 'rap in stuffy white person language' meme if that stuffy white person was derrida.

emo mcgee vs ricky hitler (Merdeyeux), Friday, 24 August 2012 20:46 (thirteen years ago)

where's steve allen when you need him?

scott seward, Friday, 24 August 2012 20:48 (thirteen years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zlzP-zPvtgo

scott seward, Friday, 24 August 2012 20:51 (thirteen years ago)

that is not ned raggett by the way.

scott seward, Friday, 24 August 2012 20:51 (thirteen years ago)

http://theworldsbestever.s3.amazonaws.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/humpty-hump-head.jpg

scott seward, Friday, 24 August 2012 20:53 (thirteen years ago)

thank you for ruining the internet

i know your nuts hurt! who's laughing? (contenderizer), Friday, 24 August 2012 20:54 (thirteen years ago)

all PR is good PR. good for lupe and good for spin.

― scott seward, Friday, August 24, 2012 12:57 PM (3 hours ago) Bookmark

lol i really hope whiney tells us how much website traffic has jumped as a result of this "boycott"

some dude, Friday, 24 August 2012 20:59 (thirteen years ago)

maybe he meant the pimp c-quoting line about 'ain't a bitch in a sense of having a pussy.' i wouldn't call it 'sensitively' but you could stretch that to being a deconstruction

― The rain in Spin circles mainly on the mansplain (D-40), Friday, August 24, 2012 3:42 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark

this is a cheap gotcha but seriously how can you not know which member of the group said that line

some dude, Friday, 24 August 2012 21:00 (thirteen years ago)

lol i really hope whiney tells us how much website traffic has jumped as a result of this "boycott"

― some dude, Friday, August 24, 2012 4:59 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

The Lupe story is not even one of our two biggest traffic getters today, so....

Fareed Zaireeka (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 24 August 2012 21:04 (thirteen years ago)

damn boycott is working, better apologize to lupe

some dude, Friday, 24 August 2012 21:06 (thirteen years ago)

is it the third biggest

lag∞n, Friday, 24 August 2012 21:07 (thirteen years ago)

Ah, the Internet.

Raymond Cummings, Friday, 24 August 2012 21:41 (thirteen years ago)

switching gears, the new issue looks fantastic as ever

i didn't get to read much cuz i was just waiting to get a haircut, but dang

young money color me badd (J0rdan S.), Friday, 24 August 2012 21:52 (thirteen years ago)

#1 traffic getter on Spin today is The Academy in Peril: Deconstruction After Barbara Johnson by Brandon de Soderman

steven fucking tyler (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Friday, 24 August 2012 21:55 (thirteen years ago)

Lol. To be fair I do believe that exposing the problems inherent in relying on the bitch/lady dichotomy - with "woman" stuck in the middle as an underused supplement - is a good starting point for a "proper" deconstruction of a well-intentioned fail. I'd still try to avoid that word though.

insane in my mansplain (longneck), Friday, 24 August 2012 23:02 (thirteen years ago)

that is not ned raggett by the way.

The things I miss.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 24 August 2012 23:15 (thirteen years ago)

longneck

buzza, Saturday, 25 August 2012 01:53 (thirteen years ago)

looool oops yah thats a bun lyric obv many xps

The rain in Spin circles mainly on the mansplain (D-40), Saturday, 25 August 2012 02:02 (thirteen years ago)

https://twitter.com/LupeFiasco/status/239177260299587584

hes still goin at it

The rain in Spin circles mainly on the mansplain (D-40), Saturday, 25 August 2012 03:10 (thirteen years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1-xGuEkdLw

young money color me badd (J0rdan S.), Saturday, 25 August 2012 03:21 (thirteen years ago)

https://twitter.com/NewBlackMan/status/239197831989190656

i think you should think about this from other angles tho j0 ...

The rain in Spin circles mainly on the mansplain (D-40), Saturday, 25 August 2012 03:25 (thirteen years ago)

lupe's song being muddled doesn't justify a hatchet criticism

The rain in Spin circles mainly on the mansplain (D-40), Saturday, 25 August 2012 03:25 (thirteen years ago)

hatchet JOB

The rain in Spin circles mainly on the mansplain (D-40), Saturday, 25 August 2012 03:25 (thirteen years ago)

https://twitter.com/therealbakari/status/239180828192681984

The rain in Spin circles mainly on the mansplain (D-40), Saturday, 25 August 2012 04:05 (thirteen years ago)

rofl @ the one response to that tweet

young money color me badd (J0rdan S.), Saturday, 25 August 2012 04:06 (thirteen years ago)

anyway i don't think brandon's article does either of those two things

young money color me badd (J0rdan S.), Saturday, 25 August 2012 04:07 (thirteen years ago)

it more sees men policing the identities of women as problematic... and while brandon is sort of playing that same game by taking lupe to task it doesn't invalidate the critique

young money color me badd (J0rdan S.), Saturday, 25 August 2012 04:09 (thirteen years ago)

if mark anthony neal & bakari kitwana ever say a piece of yours is 'culturally arrogant' i would probably take a step back & think about your approach, is all i'm saying

The rain in Spin circles mainly on the mansplain (D-40), Saturday, 25 August 2012 04:10 (thirteen years ago)

they have plenty of room for critique of lupe too in their tls, fwiw

The rain in Spin circles mainly on the mansplain (D-40), Saturday, 25 August 2012 04:10 (thirteen years ago)

if mark anthony neal & bakari kitwana ever say a piece of yours is 'culturally arrogant' i would probably take a step back & think about your approach, is all i'm saying

― The rain in Spin circles mainly on the mansplain (D-40), Saturday, August 25, 2012 12:10 AM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark

well sure -- brandon's writing is ALWAYS arrogant tho

young money color me badd (J0rdan S.), Saturday, 25 August 2012 04:15 (thirteen years ago)

my guess is that brandon has probably been reminded that when he writes something like this in the future he will have to choose his words/points very, very carefully -- not that he didn't do that w/ this, but since he expressed being taken aback by the response i'm sure there's a few things he would choose to re-word if he could

young money color me badd (J0rdan S.), Saturday, 25 August 2012 04:20 (thirteen years ago)

the part about "females" not wanting to be called ladies was a pretty big facepalm.

wk, Saturday, 25 August 2012 04:28 (thirteen years ago)


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