dedicated BODY COUNT thread (and poll)

"There Goes The Neighborhood" for T's cackling.

Poppy Bush and Dan Quayle's comments at the time were my intro to the Culture Wars.

yeah it's very easy to be blase about the world of Kid Rock types who've made connecting threads between different genres seem hacky and smh...

― some dude, Thursday, August 23, 2012 9:24 AM (1 hour ago)

yeah, blame him too

euler OTM, though at the time, i wasn't a fan of much rap/punk/funk/metal hybrid stuff or the cultural space it existed in. thinking of fishbone, living color, 24-7 spyz, rhcp, the judgement night sdtrk, body count, follow for now, infectious grooves, rollins band, mid-period beasties, cypress hill, rage, etc. i mean, i did like some of that stuff, but as a scene and as music, it was often too jockish and testosterone-addled for me. reminded me of what i hated about high school.

This was all the shit that was exploding when I graduated high school (class of '90) and I fucking loved a bunch of it. I don't currently have the Judgment Night soundtrack in my iPod, but is it in my MP3 hard drive? Hell yes. (Originally owned it on cassette.) Agree about the jockism, though. Saw RHCP twice back then - once at one of Frusciante's earliest gigs with the band (free outdoor show at Rutgers U.), once at the Ritz supporting Mother's Milk. At the first show, in '89, the crowd was all freaks partying. At the second show, there were dudes in Duke U. hats crowding into the pit to punch people. I had one of those "THE SCENE HAS CHANGED MAN" moments and retreated to the balcony, depressed.

"KKK Bitch" may be the only of these I can hum the chorus to. Bought the album the day it came out, though.

hey aero if you were just spitballing it's all good, but do you want to unpack the idea of "above ground" would-be hardmen losing their idealism thanks to the internet? do you mean nu-metal guys getting shamed in the early '00s and turning into TRUE RAP ONLY and TRUE METAL ONLY folks?

just thinking out loud as usual but I was thinking more of the audience than the artists - I usually think of the latter as usually responding to the needs/buying habits of the former, and I think the ~discourse~ turned hardman once the conversation started happening more on screens than in magazines or in dorms. which leads to bands/artists thinking of their audience (rightly? idk) as wanting hardness etc

there's a lot more to it than that obv but I think the internet's effect on how artists perceive their audiences is pretty profound & has an effect of the art they make

i was talking about the audience not artists, myself.

i meant "nu-metal guys" as the folks who still purchased rap-rock into the internet age

if you're from Mars and you got a p--- we will fuck you

speaking of purchasing rap-rock into the internet age can anyone explain how Kevin Rudolf's "let it rock" sold 4 million digital downloads? I mean I love it but I'm still an alternative idealist.

kinda lost here. what I think is that once (some) people have a space in which to flex that's virtual and safe, the appeal of good-vibe music fades (for these dudes) & the appeal of playing hard rises

yeah no i get that, though i feel like the meathead contingent of rap-rock rose a bit before the internet did

I must say, this was one of the most galvanic albums of my young life. Never mind the rap-metal hybrid – two genres I tiptoed around in the early nineties – but also the Randy Newman songs/sensibilities filtered through the rap-metal.

when I discovered Newman much later I learned to listen to him through Body Count.

proto-Body Count?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dTzZT1sflTE

AND YOUR MAMA CAN'T STOP ME
AND YOUR PAPA CAN'T STOP ME
AND THE POLICE CAN'T STOP ME
NOBODY CAN STOP ME

man I miss Follow For Now, sad how that went down

btw there's another ATL band kicking around that's doing this thing that you might check out, Grand Prize Winners From Last Year, saw them rock the fuck out of a NYE party a few years back, playing in someone's kitchen; these guys could handle a much bigger stage than that, was kinda sad about it

Wait,.is there a juicy story about follow for now?

is there a dedicated black rock coalition thread?

Follow For Now, the Veldt, 24-7 Spyz, eye & i (I think? With Melvin Gibbs)

nah nothing juicy that I remember, just that they got squashed on their major

Wikipedia says the guitarist lost his thumb and can't play!

didn't Dan Quayle bite it off?

speaking of weird/awesome cross-cultural hybrid shows did anyone else see the Buttholes/fIREHOSE/Basehead tour cuz that was o_0

oh man i don't even care about firehose but that's the first early '90s recollection here i'm actually jealous of

I dunno if it was even a tour, might have been a one-off show

Buttholes/fIREHOSE/Basehead

Don't recall that at all, but in Philly we got Beastie Boys/fIREHOSE/Basehead. Right after "Check Your Head" came out. Beasties rapped on fIREHOSE's version of "Sophisticated Bitch," iirc.

lol forgot STP also played

http://nevermindgallery.com/coop-butthole-surfers.html

http://nevermindgallery.com/media/catalog/product/cache/3/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/c/p/cp9312.jpg

weird show. how was basehead?

funny! this was after their second album.

god I hate Frank Kozik.

thats a coop tho

ah yes lol thx

I guess I hate him too!

that whole fluorescent innuendo-n-irony style blech

I recall Basehead c. "Play With Toys" and "Not In Kansas" to be more aggressive live than the records but also surprisingly adept at pulling off the druggy, laid-back haze of the records.

man basehead drives me up a wall

love rob't williams but kind of hate the pop surrealist school that came up worshipping him. and kozik just can't draw. coop can draw, obviously, but his sensibility gets old real fast. am eternally in kozik's debt for man's ruin though.

yeah Man's Ruin put out some good stuff.

man 90s aesthetically were p horrible even though i still love a lot of that music

I love Coop and Kozik, am I off the team

i keep reading this thread as desiccated BODY COUNT thread

restraining myself from posting various imagined DJP variations on that

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month old classic thread

some dude's first post itt lol

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i cant hate on these poll results

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THERE GOES THA NEIGHBAHOOD

i never could make a verdict on whether the drum solo is terrible or fantastic in that

"passionate"?

I heard "KKK Bitch" randomly the other day for the first time in...twenty yrs probably? That song is crazy, I think I want to hear this album again?

Guys, Body Count was a thing.

please tell me someone else has listened to the new album

the tension mounts!