Great music discoveries from other people's (p4k) lists I want to talk about

Most ilxors (i.e. niche genre fans excepted) are very happy with ilx poll results, so is it reasonable to expect that most of your standard ordinary non-music writer reader is quite happy with the pitchfork list?

Boredoms placing that high was the biggest surprise for me.

(And also that so many people on ILM still rate B&S, it's odd to see a reappraisal but I suppose it has been quite some time.)

Boredoms have always been really popular on ilm (as they should be)

For me, Belle and Sebastian: I know ILM has historically been a home to B+S fandom but I can't remember the last time I saw them discussed here.

you're just in denial!

I think IYFS probably sits in people's long term affection banks pretty neatly.

B & S and New Order will always be around on ilm

I included it and I wasn't a Sinister import.

I probably wouldn't have included it, but it's odd for me to think of it as being in the time period of the poll. Like, there's such a strict delineation in my life of "when I went back to the UK" (which was 97/98 or thereabouts) that music from before that might as well be from another lifetime. This is completely personal and nothing to do with anything, but it is why I tend to see 97/98 as a kind of time cut-off point, rather than 00/01.

Yeah I don't really listen to VCNS or IYFS that much any more, but I know what a huge impact they had on me at the time and so voted accordingly.

I do wonder how many B&S/New Order (or insert other older bands that are applicable) fans are still on ILM but kinda gave up on new music but still love love love the albums from when they were younger and into music so will for some reason vote?
Not a criticism btw .

WCC - yeah, for me the cut off is probably the same - 1996 and 1998 feel like worlds apart.

95/96 is more my cut off tbh

Thanks foor the lists, WCC!

Just curious, for anyone who helped get the first three Basement Jaxx albums into the top 100 (kudos on that): did you vote for (or do you rate) Scars? Crazy Itch Radio was, I know, kind of a letdown, and I think a lot of fans drifted after that one. But Scars contains several of what are now among my favorite Jaxx songs. Just wonderin', since I don't recall seeing it on ballots other than my own.

lol Basement Jaxx appearing was around the time i moved away from dance music. (never liked them) I had actually typed something about it out but deleted it in my last post.

I definitely have my own lingering nostalgia favourites too - I voted for the first GYBE album even though I haven't listened to it in at least 5 years and I don't think I even have the CD anymore.

yeah i still love those gybe albums

I do wonder how many B&S/New Order (or insert other older bands that are applicable) fans are still on ILM but kinda gave up on new music but still love love love the albums from when they were younger and into music so will for some reason vote?

Probably a load of them jumped off into dance music or pop fandom and stopped paying as much attention to modern indie.

Oh god no, Scars is the one Jaxx album I actively despise.

The song "Scars" is great though

i still love most of the albums i bought actually from back then. The few i didnt i obviously got rid of (like Head Music for example)

I never really made bad purchases thankfully.

xp

Probably a load of them jumped off into dance music or pop fandom and stopped paying as much attention to modern indie.

good point. In the same way i jumped off the dance music bus

thanks for doing the list WCC. although where I can find out what albums were distinctive to estonia?

Just curious, for anyone who helped get the first three Basement Jaxx albums into the top 100 (kudos on that): did you vote for (or do you rate) Scars? Crazy Itch Radio was, I know, kind of a letdown, and I think a lot of fans drifted after that one. But Scars contains several of what are now among my favorite Jaxx songs. Just wonderin', since I don't recall seeing it on ballots other than my own.

― Old Lunch

Voted for Kish Kash, Rooty was one of the last albums I cut from my list. I actually think Crazy Itch Radio is kind of underrated but obviously not in the same league as the first three albums. Scars was their first really weak album. Scars, Feeling Good, Raindrops and Day Of The Sunflowers are the keepers but the rest is pretty poor.

great list.

today i am listening to cut copy's in ghost colours and loving it. i've heard it before though, so its not a new discovery, just another record i forget about easily. (this will change now i've downloaded it and put it on my ipod, along with that platinum pied pipers record)

and when i said great list, what i meant was kudos to wcc for putting the work in.

albums unique to the ILX list:

3 - Boredoms - Vision Creation Newsun - 1344
21 - Luomo - Vocalcity - 994
30 - Aaliyah - Aaliyah - 848
33 - Studio - Yearbook 1 - 818
34 - Missy Elliott - Miss E: So Addictive - 814
37 - The-Dream - Love vs. Money - 749
40 - Boredoms - Super Ae - 720
41 - William Basinski - The Disintegration Loops I-IV - 712
42 - Kate Bush - Aerial - 707
50 - Life Without Buildings - Any Other City - 650
51 - Broadcast - The Noise Made by People - 648
56 - Diddy-Dirty Money - Last Train To Paris - 616
59 - Orbital - In Sides - 598
62 - Lightning Bolt - Wonderful Rainbow - 591
64 - Broadcast - Tender Buttons - 586
65 - The-Dream - Love/Hate - 575
68 - Junior Boys - Last Exit - 555
69 - Róisín Murphy - Overpowered - 548
74 - Clipse - Lord Willin' - 502
75 - Maxwell - BLACKsummers'night - 499
76 - Gang Gang Dance - Saint Dymphna - 499
77 - Black Dice - Beaches & Canyons - 489
78 - Andrew W.K. - I Get Wet - 484
81 - Basement Jaxx - Kish Kash - 472
83 - Fall Out Boy - Folie à Deux - 462
84 - Katy B - On a Mission - 462
85 - J Dilla - Donuts - 457
86 - Mark Hollis - Mark Hollis - 456
88 - Electrik Red - How To Be A Lady, Volume 1 - 454
90 - Tortoise - TNT - 448
92 - Lindstrøm & Christabelle - Real Life Is No Cool - 445
93 - Pulp - We Love Life - 442
94 - Sonic Youth - Murray Street - 441
95 - Ricardo Villalobos - Alcachofa - 441
96 - Gas - Pop - 436
97 - Autechre - LP5 - 436
99 - Fennesz - Endless Summer - 430

so, 63% of our top 100 overlaps with the Pitchfork top 200, which indicates to me that as a group we like the same types of things as the Pitchfork constituency with a bias towards album like the ones on the unique list

But when you look at the demographic makeup of the albums that don't overlap (e.g. highest lady/co-ed % content of all the amalgamated lists yet) it shows you what kind of things we pay attention to that they don't?

Now that is a list I can get behind.

xp: yes absolutely, but the ever-shrinking sample size artificially inflates the percentages

Also, notice that there's only one album in the top 20 that doesn't appear on the Pitchfork list, as compared to when you get down into the 80s and 90s, where 14 out of those 20 albums are unique to us; the implication is that the general consensus is building around the same types of albums, and as you go further down the list, you start running into albums with a few passionate boosters (which can be a noticeable effect in this small a ballot pool) or albums that a bunch of people "like" rather than "love" (although I am not sure if there were enough ballots in our sample size to support this hypothesis; I need to scroll back up to the unweighted list to verify)

Basically, I think there is absolutely a difference in values when it comes to evaluating music shown on this board, but not so different that it makes us a universe apart from the Pitchfork nexus (also unsurprising considering how many writers who have been published by Pitchfork have gone through and helped shape ILX into the community it is).

The major thing I'm not taking into account is the natural bias the Pitchfork poll enforced upon album selection by offering up a database of all of the albums they reviewed; this would be an interesting exercise to do just using the AMG or discogs.com database to see how the end result would change without that implicit bias.

xp: yes absolutely, but the ever-shrinking sample size artificially inflates the percentages

I don't actually think so. Because shrunk sample sizes of the drill downs on Pitchfork didn't produce inflation in the same way.

I mean, not that there aren't passionate boosters affecting the ILX taste. There are. But we have passionate boosters who are willing to stan on stuff outside the SWM demographic. But whatever, belabouring a point.

I think that's a restatement of what I said in my second paragraph, actually! The initial playing field is very Pitchforky, but as you go down the list more idiosyncratic choices that reflect the ILX cant start emerging.

The major thing I'm not taking into account is the natural bias the Pitchfork poll enforced upon album selection by offering up a database of all of the albums they reviewed; this would be an interesting exercise to do just using the AMG or discogs.com database to see how the end result would change without that implicit bias.

For sure. Like I said in the other thread, I put together a ballot basically so my brother and I could compare lists, and I favored the aesthetics of having album covers present over contributing an uncompromised ballot (and to be perfectly honest witchoo, I didn't even realize that this whole exercise was for an actual poll until after I'd already completed my ballot). So, yeah, my legit ballot would look way, way different.

Thanking u v v much for the list, WCC. And thanking everyone for this even-tempered thread.

So have been working my way thru' the Top 20 of emil.y's list, mainly because the majority of her whole list was entirely unfamiliar to me.

Comet Gain and Herman Düne have cheered me greatly. Matmos and Tarwater I liked a whole lot as well.

I'm not sure what to make of Paavoharju, I keep going back to it but I'm not sure that I could be said to enjoy it. It's a bit beyond me I think.

Have just dipped a toe outside the Top 20 and Eleanoora Rosenholm is doing it for me right now. I think this may have come up on the EOY poll? Not sure.

Yeah, me and a few others were repping for Eleanoora Rosenholm. Was actually introduced to them by Algerian Goalie, and am very grateful. They're something of a concept band, but it isn't obvious to non-Finnish speakers.

Also, I'm greatly flattered that you're listening to my list!

I need to check into Eleonoora Rosenholm one day... That track Kerr used to play in Outloud was pretty cool. Too bad you don't get the lyrics, they were funny.

About halfway through Orchestra of Bubbles by Ellen Allien & Apparat. I think I love this? idk I don't really have anything to frame it in or compare, so I may do a bit of reading.

Paavoharju's second album Laulu Laakson Kukista is also great by the way, even contains some relatively pop moves.

tempted to put together a list for this posthumously

why because bored.

only listened to the first two luomo records the past 12 hours

thank you crucial people who put vocalcity and the present lover on your lists

it's interesting to compare the p4rk and ILX top 100 lists mostly because they're not so terribly different. ILX is a good deal more inclusive of female and nonwhite artists, which is great, but musically the main difference is that p4rk skews towards indie rock, while ILX skews towards electronic music, pop, rap and R&B. makes me wish i were more fond of those genres...

i mean i like rap and some pop, but my primary interests draw me in other directions.

Listening to Dagger Paths by Forest Swords. This, again, ticks the boxes of something I'm totally down with but don't know enough about or when it would grab me to listen again. It's fascinating though. A kind of dubby indie vocal less Gang Gang Dance type of thing?

only listened to the first two luomo records the past 12 hours

thank you crucial people who put vocalcity and the present lover on your lists

― emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Thursday, August 23, 2012 1:24 PM (4 days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

incredible albums btw

only listened to the first two luomo records the past 12 hours

Such fantastic recs. I absolutely love 'em.

holy crap the thing tuomas picked at #1. this is so crazy beautiful.

It's amazing, isn't it? Probably my favourite techno album of the 90s, it's so timeless and evocative.

it was one of the best things i've heard recently. i've been making a list of things i need to download from this and relisten to, it has gone to the top of my list.

i've been trying to listen to one or two records from the spotify playlist i made a day

saturday i found out i like some noisy blues band called califone. listened to some decent but forgettable alt hiphop, that brand new record i knew i liked but never spent time with, some other things that didn't grab me. this morning i listened to the chemical brothers 'come with us' because of dans list. i'd only ever heard a greatest hits. it was good! a lot less 'lol we really like tomorrow never knows' than i remember them being, so i really enjoyed it.