Great music discoveries from other people's (p4k) lists I want to talk about

let's talk about the inadequate life i maintained before hearing the present lover this evening

Is this still a safe space for lists and rankings of ILX ballots, though? Because I did a weighted one. It's not hugely different but at least irons out some of those endless tie ballots. It is, predictably, a very ~ILM~ list.

1 - Daft Punk - Discovery - 1753
2 - The Knife - Silent Shout - 1565
3 - Boredoms - Vision Creation Newsun - 1344
4 - Björk - Homogenic - 1340
5 - D'Angelo - VooDoo - 1263
6 - Portishead - Third - 1231
7 - Belle And Sebastian - If You're Feeling Sinister - 1221
8 - Radiohead - Kid A - 1220
9 - The Avalanches - Since I Left You - 1189
10 - Erykah Badu - New Amerykah Part One: 4th World War - 1186
11 - The Magnetic Fields - 69 Love Songs - 1167
12 - Stereolab - Emperor Tomato Ketchup - 1153
13 - Boards of Canada - Music Has the Right to Children - 1125
14 - Neutral Milk Hotel - In the Aeroplane Over the Sea - 1092
15 - Scott Walker - The Drift - 1073
16 - Radiohead - OK Computer - 1055
17 - Panda Bear - Person Pitch - 1053
18 - Dizzee Rascal - Boy in Da Corner - 1037
19 - DJ Shadow - ...Endtroducing - 1034
20 - Jay-Z - The Blueprint - 1025
21 - Luomo - Vocalcity - 994
22 - OutKast - Stankonia - 941
23 - Aphex Twin - The Richard D. James Album - 937
24 - The Strokes - Is This It - 920
25 - Madvillain - Madvillainy - 910
26 - Outkast - Aquemini - 903
27 - Destroyer - Kaputt - 882
28 - Spiritualized - Ladies and Gentlemen, We Are Floating in Space - 856
29 - Burial - Untrue - 850
30 - Aaliyah - Aaliyah - 848
31 - Radiohead - In Rainbows - 846
32 - LCD Soundsystem - Sound of Silver - 837
33 - Studio - Yearbook 1 - 818
34 - Missy Elliott - Miss E: So Addictive - 814
35 - Yo La Tengo - I Can Hear the Heart Beating as One - 803
36 - PJ Harvey - Let England Shake - 753
37 - The-Dream - Love vs. Money - 749
38 - Animal Collective - Sung Tongs - 740
39 - Ghostface Killah - Supreme Clientele - 724
40 - Boredoms - Super Ae - 720
41 - William Basinski - The Disintegration Loops I-IV - 712
42 - Kate Bush - Aerial - 707
43 - M.I.A. - Kala - 693
44 - Kanye West - Late Registration - 685
45 - The Streets - Original Pirate Material - 674
46 - The xx - The xx - 671
47 - Daft Punk - Homework - 661
48 - Justin Timberlake - FutureSex/LoveSounds - 660
49 - tUnE-yArDs - w h o k i l l - 650
50 - Life Without Buildings - Any Other City - 650
51 - Broadcast - The Noise Made by People - 648
52 - Kanye West - The College Dropout - 641
53 - Animal Collective - Merriweather Post Pavilion - 636
54 - Fever Ray - Fever Ray - 635
55 - Vampire Weekend - Contra - 624
56 - Diddy-Dirty Money - Last Train To Paris - 616
57 - Cut Copy - In Ghost Colours - 612
58 - Massive Attack - Mezzanine - 606
59 - Orbital - In Sides - 598
60 - Spoon - Ga Ga Ga Ga Ga - 596
61 - Of Montreal - Hissing Fauna, Are You the Destroyer? - 591
62 - Lightning Bolt - Wonderful Rainbow - 591
63 - Arcade Fire - Funeral - 591
64 - Broadcast - Tender Buttons - 586
65 - The-Dream - Love/Hate - 575
66 - Bloc Party - Silent Alarm - 574
67 - Basement Jaxx - Rooty - 573
68 - Junior Boys - Last Exit - 555
69 - Róisín Murphy - Overpowered - 548
70 - Cat Power - You Are Free - 548
71 - Vampire Weekend - Vampire Weekend - 533
72 - Björk - Vespertine - 531
73 - Fugazi - The Argument - 524
74 - Clipse - Lord Willin' - 502
75 - Maxwell - BLACKsummers'night - 499
76 - Gang Gang Dance - Saint Dymphna - 499
77 - Black Dice - Beaches & Canyons - 489
78 - Andrew W.K. - I Get Wet - 484
79 - Caribou - Swim - 478
80 - M.I.A. - Arular - 473
81 - Basement Jaxx - Kish Kash - 472
82 - Robyn - Body Talk - 464
83 - Fall Out Boy - Folie à Deux - 462
84 - Katy B - On a Mission - 462
85 - J Dilla - Donuts - 457
86 - Mark Hollis - Mark Hollis - 456
87 - St. Vincent - Actor - 454
88 - Electrik Red - How To Be A Lady, Volume 1 - 454
89 - Radiohead - Amnesiac - 449
90 - Tortoise - TNT - 448
91 - Destroyer - Destroyer's Rubies - 446
92 - Lindstrøm & Christabelle - Real Life Is No Cool - 445
93 - Pulp - We Love Life - 442
94 - Sonic Youth - Murray Street - 441
95 - Ricardo Villalobos - Alcachofa - 441
96 - Gas - Pop - 436
97 - Autechre - LP5 - 436
98 - Yo La Tengo - And Then Nothing Turned Itself Inside-Out - 434
99 - Fennesz - Endless Summer - 430
100 - The Dismemberment Plan - Emergency and I - 428

Awesome. I like that list a lot. Thanks WCC.

I'm not sure on one hand complaining about how predictable p4k list is yet a predictable ilm poll is ok. I like plenty on both lists i guess but my top list would be quite different.

Oh man, I hate to say it but that really is a 'very ILM' top ten. Still, whaddya expect?

exactly its no big deal really. We just shouldn't pretend its a great list just because its ilm , its not really a big diverse list covering everything is it but nor would i expect it to be. Same for p4k.

but , as with all lists, if some people discover good albums they did not know about its a good thing.

Although I'm loving that Sung Tongs and LP5 are voted the best albums by AC and Ae respectively, rather than say MPP and Confield which are those bands' "New Jersey"s

that list is great, kerr, who didnt vote, is just annoyed there is no metal on it

Everyone always thinks that the music they like represents this vast diverse tapestry whereas the music they don't like and other people do represents a tiny segment of the dizzying possibilities out there.

I didn't say it was bad or great did I? Infact I said I liked plenty on it.

xp

Well there are different objections being raised. "This list was not diverse because it did not represent my favourite genre" versus "This list was not diverse because there are no women or brown people or gay people or artists from outside the US/UK" are different issues that are being conflated quite a bit for reasons which were exhaustively discussed on the other thread, so reason to get into it again blah blah blah shut up WCC etc forever

Thanks for compiling the list WCC

No probs. I had a lot of fun with the data - though I can now understand why P4k might have excluded write-ins due to inconsistent spelling, punctuation, etc. (Why did half of you write Notorious B.I.G and half write Notorious B.I.G. why can't we all just get along?)

Biggie exceeds all grammatical pigeonholes.

xp ^^^ this is why we have nominations for the EOY polls

Disappointed he didn't make it into our top 200.

gah that's the worst things with sorting the raw data out for Glenn in the metal polls. His old program was good at catching stuff but I still had to keep an eye out. RIP needle. (the program we used has been shut down by google)
But it's a good reason to have a nominations list. Just imagine the hassle Glenn had doing P&J with peoples lists. However bad you think it is then multiply it by like 1000000% as he's told me of some of the things he's had to do. Hopefully he can write something for P&J poll but he doesn't think he can do metal poll as well sadly.

It is still more fun to do it with pop stars and albums than it is to do it for e.g. the inconsistent Gaelic spelling of Irish implant patients' names which is the kind of thing I've had to do for dayjobs. :-/

I can imagine. But with the current poll I'm running; irish gaelic names will be no problem for seandalai who is tabulating ;)

cheers for listings WCC.

Quick question - what's the most unusual/surprising appearance in the ILM list?

Most ilxors (i.e. niche genre fans excepted) are very happy with ilx poll results, so is it reasonable to expect that most of your standard ordinary non-music writer reader is quite happy with the pitchfork list?

Boredoms placing that high was the biggest surprise for me.

(And also that so many people on ILM still rate B&S, it's odd to see a reappraisal but I suppose it has been quite some time.)

Boredoms have always been really popular on ilm (as they should be)

For me, Belle and Sebastian: I know ILM has historically been a home to B+S fandom but I can't remember the last time I saw them discussed here.

you're just in denial!

I think IYFS probably sits in people's long term affection banks pretty neatly.

B & S and New Order will always be around on ilm

I included it and I wasn't a Sinister import.

I probably wouldn't have included it, but it's odd for me to think of it as being in the time period of the poll. Like, there's such a strict delineation in my life of "when I went back to the UK" (which was 97/98 or thereabouts) that music from before that might as well be from another lifetime. This is completely personal and nothing to do with anything, but it is why I tend to see 97/98 as a kind of time cut-off point, rather than 00/01.

Yeah I don't really listen to VCNS or IYFS that much any more, but I know what a huge impact they had on me at the time and so voted accordingly.

I do wonder how many B&S/New Order (or insert other older bands that are applicable) fans are still on ILM but kinda gave up on new music but still love love love the albums from when they were younger and into music so will for some reason vote?
Not a criticism btw .

WCC - yeah, for me the cut off is probably the same - 1996 and 1998 feel like worlds apart.

95/96 is more my cut off tbh

Thanks foor the lists, WCC!

Just curious, for anyone who helped get the first three Basement Jaxx albums into the top 100 (kudos on that): did you vote for (or do you rate) Scars? Crazy Itch Radio was, I know, kind of a letdown, and I think a lot of fans drifted after that one. But Scars contains several of what are now among my favorite Jaxx songs. Just wonderin', since I don't recall seeing it on ballots other than my own.

lol Basement Jaxx appearing was around the time i moved away from dance music. (never liked them) I had actually typed something about it out but deleted it in my last post.

I definitely have my own lingering nostalgia favourites too - I voted for the first GYBE album even though I haven't listened to it in at least 5 years and I don't think I even have the CD anymore.

yeah i still love those gybe albums

I do wonder how many B&S/New Order (or insert other older bands that are applicable) fans are still on ILM but kinda gave up on new music but still love love love the albums from when they were younger and into music so will for some reason vote?

Probably a load of them jumped off into dance music or pop fandom and stopped paying as much attention to modern indie.

Oh god no, Scars is the one Jaxx album I actively despise.

The song "Scars" is great though

i still love most of the albums i bought actually from back then. The few i didnt i obviously got rid of (like Head Music for example)

I never really made bad purchases thankfully.

xp

Probably a load of them jumped off into dance music or pop fandom and stopped paying as much attention to modern indie.

good point. In the same way i jumped off the dance music bus

thanks for doing the list WCC. although where I can find out what albums were distinctive to estonia?

Just curious, for anyone who helped get the first three Basement Jaxx albums into the top 100 (kudos on that): did you vote for (or do you rate) Scars? Crazy Itch Radio was, I know, kind of a letdown, and I think a lot of fans drifted after that one. But Scars contains several of what are now among my favorite Jaxx songs. Just wonderin', since I don't recall seeing it on ballots other than my own.

― Old Lunch

Voted for Kish Kash, Rooty was one of the last albums I cut from my list. I actually think Crazy Itch Radio is kind of underrated but obviously not in the same league as the first three albums. Scars was their first really weak album. Scars, Feeling Good, Raindrops and Day Of The Sunflowers are the keepers but the rest is pretty poor.

great list.

today i am listening to cut copy's in ghost colours and loving it. i've heard it before though, so its not a new discovery, just another record i forget about easily. (this will change now i've downloaded it and put it on my ipod, along with that platinum pied pipers record)

and when i said great list, what i meant was kudos to wcc for putting the work in.

albums unique to the ILX list:

3 - Boredoms - Vision Creation Newsun - 1344
21 - Luomo - Vocalcity - 994
30 - Aaliyah - Aaliyah - 848
33 - Studio - Yearbook 1 - 818
34 - Missy Elliott - Miss E: So Addictive - 814
37 - The-Dream - Love vs. Money - 749
40 - Boredoms - Super Ae - 720
41 - William Basinski - The Disintegration Loops I-IV - 712
42 - Kate Bush - Aerial - 707
50 - Life Without Buildings - Any Other City - 650
51 - Broadcast - The Noise Made by People - 648
56 - Diddy-Dirty Money - Last Train To Paris - 616
59 - Orbital - In Sides - 598
62 - Lightning Bolt - Wonderful Rainbow - 591
64 - Broadcast - Tender Buttons - 586
65 - The-Dream - Love/Hate - 575
68 - Junior Boys - Last Exit - 555
69 - Róisín Murphy - Overpowered - 548
74 - Clipse - Lord Willin' - 502
75 - Maxwell - BLACKsummers'night - 499
76 - Gang Gang Dance - Saint Dymphna - 499
77 - Black Dice - Beaches & Canyons - 489
78 - Andrew W.K. - I Get Wet - 484
81 - Basement Jaxx - Kish Kash - 472
83 - Fall Out Boy - Folie à Deux - 462
84 - Katy B - On a Mission - 462
85 - J Dilla - Donuts - 457
86 - Mark Hollis - Mark Hollis - 456
88 - Electrik Red - How To Be A Lady, Volume 1 - 454
90 - Tortoise - TNT - 448
92 - Lindstrøm & Christabelle - Real Life Is No Cool - 445
93 - Pulp - We Love Life - 442
94 - Sonic Youth - Murray Street - 441
95 - Ricardo Villalobos - Alcachofa - 441
96 - Gas - Pop - 436
97 - Autechre - LP5 - 436
99 - Fennesz - Endless Summer - 430

so, 63% of our top 100 overlaps with the Pitchfork top 200, which indicates to me that as a group we like the same types of things as the Pitchfork constituency with a bias towards album like the ones on the unique list

But when you look at the demographic makeup of the albums that don't overlap (e.g. highest lady/co-ed % content of all the amalgamated lists yet) it shows you what kind of things we pay attention to that they don't?

Now that is a list I can get behind.

xp: yes absolutely, but the ever-shrinking sample size artificially inflates the percentages

Also, notice that there's only one album in the top 20 that doesn't appear on the Pitchfork list, as compared to when you get down into the 80s and 90s, where 14 out of those 20 albums are unique to us; the implication is that the general consensus is building around the same types of albums, and as you go further down the list, you start running into albums with a few passionate boosters (which can be a noticeable effect in this small a ballot pool) or albums that a bunch of people "like" rather than "love" (although I am not sure if there were enough ballots in our sample size to support this hypothesis; I need to scroll back up to the unweighted list to verify)

Basically, I think there is absolutely a difference in values when it comes to evaluating music shown on this board, but not so different that it makes us a universe apart from the Pitchfork nexus (also unsurprising considering how many writers who have been published by Pitchfork have gone through and helped shape ILX into the community it is).

The major thing I'm not taking into account is the natural bias the Pitchfork poll enforced upon album selection by offering up a database of all of the albums they reviewed; this would be an interesting exercise to do just using the AMG or discogs.com database to see how the end result would change without that implicit bias.