The Pitchfork People's List - top albums 1996-2012

zomg I just noticed BradNelson tweeted my list

still wondering who liked it on Faceboook

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how dare she imply men are patient and have high self-esteem!

i'm not defensive about her characterization of men, but of her characterization of listmaking

right

feels like it's been a while since one of these

Is this gonna clusterfuck out again? Should I just post the results on the other thread?

I'm gonna post the results on the other thread, it seems quieter.

we've been talking about the results for hours fyi

characterization of listmaking in the form of a list iirc

im saying that music listmaking is no more so than any other human activity.

might wanna walk back "any other human activity" here man

I completely take deej at face value here, which just makes his objections a million times more hilarious to me

I'm not sure who the strawman in this equation is supposed to be. The Bruce Hornsby thing wasn't, y'know, meant to describe a literal phenomenon. If anything, I'd wager that the purveyors of Boringrock are largely unaware of their embarrassing progenitors.

Jens Lekman doing "Every Little Kiss"?

god was pretty narcissistic when he wrote the ten commandments iirc

you should talk, apparently you think you're moses

are you shitting on me because you think i'm disagreeing you or just in a mood?

um, i made a joke because you said "iirc" in regards to god writing the ten commandments.

1. i think sharing music you like is good.
2. i agree with her that its something men seem more comfortable doing or are more comfortable doing at higher rates than women at least in list form.
3. i feel like her use of the word 'narcissism' is an attempt to imply that the behavior of listmakers is somehow abnormal from the mean (thus the word "narcissistic" instead of "enthusiastic" or w/e) when it comes to interest in music, b/c maybe its her (understandable) attempt to normalize the exp of women who don't wish to participate, but i feel like that is actually
4. backwards logic, b/c listmaking is something ppl should feel encouraged to do, to enhance more discussion & hear more perspectives.

but what do i know, im just pro-listmaking

ok i didn't get the joke because why wouldn't someone need to have been there to remember what's in the bible (xpost)

oh cool, we are at the accidental coprophagy portion of the thread

haha

if every human activity is narcissistic then why would calling something narcissistic be abnormal?

some dude is doing that thing where he gets the arguments caught up in his pedantic misunderstanding

i'm saying that 'narcissistic' is the wrong word because listmaking is not abnormal. pretty simple, some dude

I hear that you and your band have sold your cargo pants and bought jeans. I hear that you and your band have sold your jeans and bought cargo pants

sorry deej

d-40 you're conflating sharing tastes with writing long lists of THE TOP MUSIC from 1996-2012

difference between pinterest and rateyourmusic

okay that's the first thing written about this whole exercise that's made me feel bad about myself for participating

well ideally listmaking would be closer to the former than the latter imo, that's how i used this exercise anyway. looked at lists from ppl who's taste interests me, found records i hadn't heard in awhile or had avoided, thought abt stuff, idk it was fun

well you've got the self-esteem for it

I wonder how many keyboards have been irreparably damaged by replies to this thread.

*narcissism all over my keyboard*

"here's my top 50 albums and i don't care if they're the best, they're what i love at the moment" may actually be a level of pride above "i have painstakingly gone through my collection and here are my top 50 albums after looking to reaffirm they're within the right timeframe"

self-expression, creativity, and lots of forms of communication bring a lot of good in the world while still having some degree of narcissism motivating the initial impulse. i don't know why seemingly everyone but you can reconcile that, deej.

well you've got the self-esteem for it

― da croupier, Wednesday, August 22, 2012 11:38 AM (45 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i cant claim to know, i just think casting listmaking in a negative light is unproductive to making conversations more open & inviting to more people.

why don't you educate her yourself

self-expression, creativity, and lots of forms of communication bring a lot of good in the world while still having some degree of narcissism motivating the initial impulse. i don't know why seemingly everyone but you can reconcile that, deej.

― some dude, Wednesday, August 22, 2012 11:40 AM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

if you think narcissism is behind everything then yes but it seemed like there was an attempt in that discussion to differentiate music listmaking from discussions of say literature or w/e

why don't you educate her yourself

― da croupier, Wednesday, August 22, 2012 11:42 AM (12 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

being a condescending dick is something you do so well though

also neat how you conflated listmaking and conversations there

if you think narcissism is behind everything then yes but it seemed like there was an attempt in that discussion to differentiate music listmaking from discussions of say literature or w/e

well no, I think there was an attempt to differentiate contributing a list to an exercise intended to generate the best albums of the past 16 years to talking about a book at your book club

"by implying me making a list of my favorite music and unveiling it for discussion on facebook is narcissist you are stifling conversations"

"here's my top 50 albums and i don't care if they're the best, they're what i love at the moment" may actually be a level of pride above "i have painstakingly gone through my collection and here are my top 50 albums after looking to reaffirm they're within the right timeframe"

― da croupier, Wednesday, August 22, 2012 11:40 AM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

OK. i don't really care if its about pride or self confidence or selfishness or whatever the motivation was, my point was that her word choice seemed designed to suggest it was kind of pointless & my point was, of which cultural products is that NOT true?

"by implying me making a list of my favorite music and unveiling it for discussion on facebook is narcissist you are stifling conversations"

― da croupier, Wednesday, August 22, 2012 11:44 AM (18 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

but when a group of people are doing it, it becomes a conversation

well no, I think there was an attempt to differentiate contributing a list to an exercise intended to generate the best albums of the past 16 years to talking about a book at your book club

― Lil Swayne of Pie (DJP), Wednesday, August 22, 2012 11:44 AM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

effectively for me it has been a conversation? i mean there's ilx threads (more than one) devoted to that conversation

what a conversation

what a conversation

― Fareed Zaireeka (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, August 22, 2012 11:48 AM (49 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

lol ilx regular.

this is that thing where we're all so self-deprecating that it verges on self hatred right?

http://cdn2.holytaco.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/what-a-country-yakov.jpg

Here is ILX's top albums if anyone wants to look:

Great music discoveries from other people's (p4k) lists I want to talk about

listmaking is totally narcissistic, and yes, so are a lot of other things. I think the distinction is far more in a) the labor that taking listmaking seriously requires and b) the self-esteem it takes to imply you've done the labor (or on the flip, the self-esteem to announce you haven't done the labor but used the form anyway). Both of which she acknowledges. If anyone's really hurt that this is being called narcissistic congrats, you're an oversensitive narcissist.

otm

you turning this into being about me is what i meant by 'condescending dick' btw

if you're vehemently arguing a POV that nobody else agrees with then guess what it becomes about you