The Pitchfork People's List - top albums 1996-2012

The prevalence of Music To Nap To and treatment of Bruce Hornsby as an unheralded visionary

not as prevalent as creating Posts To Strawman By

no one is saying that people who don't make lists aren't narcissistic. she's saying that listmaking requires narcissism, the self-esteem to express it and PATIENCE TO EXPLORE THAT NARCISSISM THOROUGHLY IN LIST FORM. And that in her experience men (and mine) have all those traits more than women. Getting butthurt that you're being called a narcissist is silly.

I rate the first two Strokes albums very highly. I guess I can understand why they wouldn't be someone's bag, but I don't understand vehement opposition to them. They're solid rock records and some of the few albums from this century that I never get tired of.

xp: are you seriously arguing that fashion isn't inherently narcissistic

― Lil Swayne of Pie (DJP), Wednesday, August 22, 2012 11:16 AM (32 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

no. im saying that music listmaking is no more so than any other human activity.

making a list of favorite albums, basically anonymously, and throwing them into a pile of thousands is pretty low on the OMG LOOK AT ME/NARCISSIST scale imo.

there are really lots of human activities that require no inherent narcissism

one of them is listening to music without telling anybody what you're listening to.

I rate the first two Strokes albums very highly. I guess I can understand why they wouldn't be someone's bag, but I don't understand vehement opposition to them. They're solid rock records and some of the few albums from this century that I never get tired of.

did you look at the albums I picked for my list: http://peopleslist.pitchfork.com/list/a9f386e6/

hopefully this will explain why I am vehemently opposed to The Strokes
</lowlevelnarcissism>

making a list of favorite albums, basically anonymously

you do realize everyone was given their personal ballot w/ album covers and with their name on it to share with friends, right?

no one is saying that people who don't make lists aren't narcissistic. she's saying that listmaking requires narcissism, the self-esteem to express it and PATIENCE TO EXPLORE THAT NARCISSISM THOROUGHLY IN LIST FORM. And that in her experience men (and mine) have all those traits more than women. Getting butthurt that you're being called a narcissist is silly.

― da croupier, Wednesday, August 22, 2012 11:17 AM (21 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

its not about me. i think that people should be urged to share their opinions about music! later on in that piece, women indicate that they dont feel welcome to share their voices, and i think that implying 'narcissism' as the root cause is like -- to butcher a metaphor nitsuh used once -- is like sitting on the bench and then saying 'its more comfortable than being in the game anyway'.

not as prevalent as creating Posts To Strawman By

I'm not sure who the strawman in this equation is supposed to be. The Bruce Hornsby thing wasn't, y'know, meant to describe a literal phenomenon. If anything, I'd wager that the purveyors of Boringrock are largely unaware of their embarrassing progenitors.

It took nearly 1500 posts, but I just figured out why this thread sucks

she's not implying the root cause of women not feeling welcome is "narcissism." You could actually argue she's saying women are lazier narcissists.

zomg I just noticed BradNelson tweeted my list

still wondering who liked it on Faceboook

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how dare she imply men are patient and have high self-esteem!

i'm not defensive about her characterization of men, but of her characterization of listmaking

right

feels like it's been a while since one of these

Is this gonna clusterfuck out again? Should I just post the results on the other thread?

I'm gonna post the results on the other thread, it seems quieter.

we've been talking about the results for hours fyi

characterization of listmaking in the form of a list iirc

im saying that music listmaking is no more so than any other human activity.

might wanna walk back "any other human activity" here man

I completely take deej at face value here, which just makes his objections a million times more hilarious to me

I'm not sure who the strawman in this equation is supposed to be. The Bruce Hornsby thing wasn't, y'know, meant to describe a literal phenomenon. If anything, I'd wager that the purveyors of Boringrock are largely unaware of their embarrassing progenitors.

Jens Lekman doing "Every Little Kiss"?

god was pretty narcissistic when he wrote the ten commandments iirc

you should talk, apparently you think you're moses

are you shitting on me because you think i'm disagreeing you or just in a mood?

um, i made a joke because you said "iirc" in regards to god writing the ten commandments.

1. i think sharing music you like is good.
2. i agree with her that its something men seem more comfortable doing or are more comfortable doing at higher rates than women at least in list form.
3. i feel like her use of the word 'narcissism' is an attempt to imply that the behavior of listmakers is somehow abnormal from the mean (thus the word "narcissistic" instead of "enthusiastic" or w/e) when it comes to interest in music, b/c maybe its her (understandable) attempt to normalize the exp of women who don't wish to participate, but i feel like that is actually
4. backwards logic, b/c listmaking is something ppl should feel encouraged to do, to enhance more discussion & hear more perspectives.

but what do i know, im just pro-listmaking

ok i didn't get the joke because why wouldn't someone need to have been there to remember what's in the bible (xpost)

oh cool, we are at the accidental coprophagy portion of the thread

haha

if every human activity is narcissistic then why would calling something narcissistic be abnormal?

some dude is doing that thing where he gets the arguments caught up in his pedantic misunderstanding

i'm saying that 'narcissistic' is the wrong word because listmaking is not abnormal. pretty simple, some dude

I hear that you and your band have sold your cargo pants and bought jeans. I hear that you and your band have sold your jeans and bought cargo pants

sorry deej

d-40 you're conflating sharing tastes with writing long lists of THE TOP MUSIC from 1996-2012

difference between pinterest and rateyourmusic

okay that's the first thing written about this whole exercise that's made me feel bad about myself for participating

well ideally listmaking would be closer to the former than the latter imo, that's how i used this exercise anyway. looked at lists from ppl who's taste interests me, found records i hadn't heard in awhile or had avoided, thought abt stuff, idk it was fun

well you've got the self-esteem for it

I wonder how many keyboards have been irreparably damaged by replies to this thread.

*narcissism all over my keyboard*

"here's my top 50 albums and i don't care if they're the best, they're what i love at the moment" may actually be a level of pride above "i have painstakingly gone through my collection and here are my top 50 albums after looking to reaffirm they're within the right timeframe"

self-expression, creativity, and lots of forms of communication bring a lot of good in the world while still having some degree of narcissism motivating the initial impulse. i don't know why seemingly everyone but you can reconcile that, deej.

well you've got the self-esteem for it

― da croupier, Wednesday, August 22, 2012 11:38 AM (45 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i cant claim to know, i just think casting listmaking in a negative light is unproductive to making conversations more open & inviting to more people.

why don't you educate her yourself

self-expression, creativity, and lots of forms of communication bring a lot of good in the world while still having some degree of narcissism motivating the initial impulse. i don't know why seemingly everyone but you can reconcile that, deej.

― some dude, Wednesday, August 22, 2012 11:40 AM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

if you think narcissism is behind everything then yes but it seemed like there was an attempt in that discussion to differentiate music listmaking from discussions of say literature or w/e

why don't you educate her yourself

― da croupier, Wednesday, August 22, 2012 11:42 AM (12 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

being a condescending dick is something you do so well though

also neat how you conflated listmaking and conversations there