The Pitchfork People's List - top albums 1996-2012

god you just saw that word and everything went red, didn't it

I'd say the thing that went wrong with indie was the dad-rockification of it. The prevalence of Music To Nap To and treatment of Bruce Hornsby as an unheralded visionary.

d-40 can you really not admit that enthusiasm for making lists of your favorite albums requires not only narcissism but a fastidious patience to explore your narcissism?

i mean, you can use that to describe virtually any activity humans are interested in sharing their opinions about. i dont think its 'narcissistic' any more than thinking ppl care what you wear means fashion is inherently narcissistic, or that discussing your views on literature means that people think you're narcissistic.

haha god you really can't read past that word

i feel like we're both in an argument of 'you're making too big a deal about this' where i think you & the author are making too big a deal about listmaking & you think i'm making too big a deal about the article.

I'd say the thing that went wrong with indie was the dad-rockification of it. The prevalence of Music To Nap To and treatment of Bruce Hornsby as an unheralded visionary.

well you know, that's just the way it is; some things will never change

xp: are you seriously arguing that fashion isn't inherently narcissistic

d-40 can you really not admit that enthusiasm for making lists of your favorite albums requires not only narcissism but a fastidious patience to explore your narcissism?

― da croupier, Wednesday, August 22, 2012 11:14 AM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

haha god you really can't read past that word

― da croupier, Wednesday, August 22, 2012 11:15 AM (11 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

well, you're misquoting her right there.

deej is narcissistic (as we all are) but he also has as strong an intrinsic desire to share music with others as anyone i've personally ever met. so i understand why he's reading that passage the way he is.

The prevalence of Music To Nap To and treatment of Bruce Hornsby as an unheralded visionary

not as prevalent as creating Posts To Strawman By

no one is saying that people who don't make lists aren't narcissistic. she's saying that listmaking requires narcissism, the self-esteem to express it and PATIENCE TO EXPLORE THAT NARCISSISM THOROUGHLY IN LIST FORM. And that in her experience men (and mine) have all those traits more than women. Getting butthurt that you're being called a narcissist is silly.

I rate the first two Strokes albums very highly. I guess I can understand why they wouldn't be someone's bag, but I don't understand vehement opposition to them. They're solid rock records and some of the few albums from this century that I never get tired of.

xp: are you seriously arguing that fashion isn't inherently narcissistic

― Lil Swayne of Pie (DJP), Wednesday, August 22, 2012 11:16 AM (32 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

no. im saying that music listmaking is no more so than any other human activity.

making a list of favorite albums, basically anonymously, and throwing them into a pile of thousands is pretty low on the OMG LOOK AT ME/NARCISSIST scale imo.

there are really lots of human activities that require no inherent narcissism

one of them is listening to music without telling anybody what you're listening to.

I rate the first two Strokes albums very highly. I guess I can understand why they wouldn't be someone's bag, but I don't understand vehement opposition to them. They're solid rock records and some of the few albums from this century that I never get tired of.

did you look at the albums I picked for my list: http://peopleslist.pitchfork.com/list/a9f386e6/

hopefully this will explain why I am vehemently opposed to The Strokes
</lowlevelnarcissism>

making a list of favorite albums, basically anonymously

you do realize everyone was given their personal ballot w/ album covers and with their name on it to share with friends, right?

no one is saying that people who don't make lists aren't narcissistic. she's saying that listmaking requires narcissism, the self-esteem to express it and PATIENCE TO EXPLORE THAT NARCISSISM THOROUGHLY IN LIST FORM. And that in her experience men (and mine) have all those traits more than women. Getting butthurt that you're being called a narcissist is silly.

― da croupier, Wednesday, August 22, 2012 11:17 AM (21 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

its not about me. i think that people should be urged to share their opinions about music! later on in that piece, women indicate that they dont feel welcome to share their voices, and i think that implying 'narcissism' as the root cause is like -- to butcher a metaphor nitsuh used once -- is like sitting on the bench and then saying 'its more comfortable than being in the game anyway'.

not as prevalent as creating Posts To Strawman By

I'm not sure who the strawman in this equation is supposed to be. The Bruce Hornsby thing wasn't, y'know, meant to describe a literal phenomenon. If anything, I'd wager that the purveyors of Boringrock are largely unaware of their embarrassing progenitors.

It took nearly 1500 posts, but I just figured out why this thread sucks

she's not implying the root cause of women not feeling welcome is "narcissism." You could actually argue she's saying women are lazier narcissists.

zomg I just noticed BradNelson tweeted my list

still wondering who liked it on Faceboook

</slightlyhigherlevelnarcissism>

how dare she imply men are patient and have high self-esteem!

i'm not defensive about her characterization of men, but of her characterization of listmaking

right

feels like it's been a while since one of these

Is this gonna clusterfuck out again? Should I just post the results on the other thread?

I'm gonna post the results on the other thread, it seems quieter.

we've been talking about the results for hours fyi

characterization of listmaking in the form of a list iirc

im saying that music listmaking is no more so than any other human activity.

might wanna walk back "any other human activity" here man

I completely take deej at face value here, which just makes his objections a million times more hilarious to me

I'm not sure who the strawman in this equation is supposed to be. The Bruce Hornsby thing wasn't, y'know, meant to describe a literal phenomenon. If anything, I'd wager that the purveyors of Boringrock are largely unaware of their embarrassing progenitors.

Jens Lekman doing "Every Little Kiss"?

god was pretty narcissistic when he wrote the ten commandments iirc

you should talk, apparently you think you're moses

are you shitting on me because you think i'm disagreeing you or just in a mood?

um, i made a joke because you said "iirc" in regards to god writing the ten commandments.

1. i think sharing music you like is good.
2. i agree with her that its something men seem more comfortable doing or are more comfortable doing at higher rates than women at least in list form.
3. i feel like her use of the word 'narcissism' is an attempt to imply that the behavior of listmakers is somehow abnormal from the mean (thus the word "narcissistic" instead of "enthusiastic" or w/e) when it comes to interest in music, b/c maybe its her (understandable) attempt to normalize the exp of women who don't wish to participate, but i feel like that is actually
4. backwards logic, b/c listmaking is something ppl should feel encouraged to do, to enhance more discussion & hear more perspectives.

but what do i know, im just pro-listmaking

ok i didn't get the joke because why wouldn't someone need to have been there to remember what's in the bible (xpost)

oh cool, we are at the accidental coprophagy portion of the thread

haha

if every human activity is narcissistic then why would calling something narcissistic be abnormal?

some dude is doing that thing where he gets the arguments caught up in his pedantic misunderstanding

i'm saying that 'narcissistic' is the wrong word because listmaking is not abnormal. pretty simple, some dude

I hear that you and your band have sold your cargo pants and bought jeans. I hear that you and your band have sold your jeans and bought cargo pants

sorry deej

d-40 you're conflating sharing tastes with writing long lists of THE TOP MUSIC from 1996-2012

difference between pinterest and rateyourmusic

okay that's the first thing written about this whole exercise that's made me feel bad about myself for participating

well ideally listmaking would be closer to the former than the latter imo, that's how i used this exercise anyway. looked at lists from ppl who's taste interests me, found records i hadn't heard in awhile or had avoided, thought abt stuff, idk it was fun

well you've got the self-esteem for it