The Pitchfork People's List - top albums 1996-2012

i think you're projecting the "shame" here, d-40

do Radiohead voters still think Amnesiac is awesome?

Yes.

??? she calls men who make lists narcissists?

xp to croup

im just sayin, say it loud, i made a list & im proud

there's really no reason why I don't already own Idlewild and I should have put ATLiens on my list

I feel like Andre's total weird out on The Love Below ultimately makes everyone look at Outkast as failed potential as opposed to fucking amazing even when being totally self-indulgent

read it again, d-40

looking back, aeroplane seems more than any other album to embody what went wrong in american indie, both as music and as a social phenomena. you know, relative to what i grew up with and wanted out of it.

Yes. My gut says yes to this. NMH and the cult of the Beach Boys.

is there a way to see a list of results that excludes all ballots containing Neutral Milk Hotel?

― Gurdas Mane (crüt), Wednesday, August 22, 2012 2:34 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

If you do this you're excluding my list, and if you really want to do this then you have to promise to never again listen to the White Noise. Sorry crüt, that's the way it's gotta be.

Anyway, my one, my only, response to this list: loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool

Honestly I think it takes some things to have the energy to make one of those: a) some degree of narcissism to assume that literally anyone cares what albums you like b) enough self esteem to believe your choices are correct or to not care if people disagree with you or think less of you because of which albums you like c) the fastidious patience to actually complete a task that is based mainly in narcissism.

I have some of these things, and there are many women who also have these things, but I would say in general that men are more apt to have all of them.

http://www.super8duson.com/images/avery_island.jpg

listening to "Rosa Parks" and "Ms. Jackson" for the first time in years and man I love Outkast

man I heard "The Whole World" at a CVS the other night and was so happy

honestly I can't believe ppl still rate that Strokes album

fucking embarrassing

second Strokes album >>>>> the first

??? she calls men who make lists narcissists?

― protected by kl0pper. stand back (D-40), Wednesday, August 22, 2012 12:07 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

xp to croup

― protected by kl0pper. stand back (D-40), Wednesday, August 22, 2012 12:07 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

im just sayin, say it loud, i made a list & im proud

― protected by kl0pper. stand back (D-40), Wednesday, August 22, 2012 12:07 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

ah yes, too proud of yourself to be a narcissist

*heats up lobster bisque*

second Strokes album >>>>> the first

ppl keep saying that, and on some level I can believe it, and I think there was actually even a song off of the 2nd album I was shocked about liking, but it's still The Strokes, who are terrible and should be shunned along with The Streets and Drake

Honestly I think it takes some things to have the energy to make one of those: a) some degree of narcissism to assume that literally anyone cares what albums you like b) enough self esteem to believe your choices are correct or to not care if people disagree with you or think less of you because of which albums you like c) the fastidious patience to actually complete a task that is based mainly in narcissism.

I have some of these things, and there are many women who also have these things, but I would say in general that men are more apt to have all of them.

― da croupier, Wednesday, August 22, 2012 11:09 AM (32 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i wasnt objecting on behalf of men but on behalf of listmakers. i think its probably obvious that the reason its only 12% women is that many women are made not to feel welcome in the discussion, i just think that the presumption that its based upon some kind of narcissism is silly.

god you just saw that word and everything went red, didn't it

I'd say the thing that went wrong with indie was the dad-rockification of it. The prevalence of Music To Nap To and treatment of Bruce Hornsby as an unheralded visionary.

d-40 can you really not admit that enthusiasm for making lists of your favorite albums requires not only narcissism but a fastidious patience to explore your narcissism?

i mean, you can use that to describe virtually any activity humans are interested in sharing their opinions about. i dont think its 'narcissistic' any more than thinking ppl care what you wear means fashion is inherently narcissistic, or that discussing your views on literature means that people think you're narcissistic.

haha god you really can't read past that word

i feel like we're both in an argument of 'you're making too big a deal about this' where i think you & the author are making too big a deal about listmaking & you think i'm making too big a deal about the article.

I'd say the thing that went wrong with indie was the dad-rockification of it. The prevalence of Music To Nap To and treatment of Bruce Hornsby as an unheralded visionary.

well you know, that's just the way it is; some things will never change

xp: are you seriously arguing that fashion isn't inherently narcissistic

d-40 can you really not admit that enthusiasm for making lists of your favorite albums requires not only narcissism but a fastidious patience to explore your narcissism?

― da croupier, Wednesday, August 22, 2012 11:14 AM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

haha god you really can't read past that word

― da croupier, Wednesday, August 22, 2012 11:15 AM (11 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

well, you're misquoting her right there.

deej is narcissistic (as we all are) but he also has as strong an intrinsic desire to share music with others as anyone i've personally ever met. so i understand why he's reading that passage the way he is.

The prevalence of Music To Nap To and treatment of Bruce Hornsby as an unheralded visionary

not as prevalent as creating Posts To Strawman By

no one is saying that people who don't make lists aren't narcissistic. she's saying that listmaking requires narcissism, the self-esteem to express it and PATIENCE TO EXPLORE THAT NARCISSISM THOROUGHLY IN LIST FORM. And that in her experience men (and mine) have all those traits more than women. Getting butthurt that you're being called a narcissist is silly.

I rate the first two Strokes albums very highly. I guess I can understand why they wouldn't be someone's bag, but I don't understand vehement opposition to them. They're solid rock records and some of the few albums from this century that I never get tired of.

xp: are you seriously arguing that fashion isn't inherently narcissistic

― Lil Swayne of Pie (DJP), Wednesday, August 22, 2012 11:16 AM (32 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

no. im saying that music listmaking is no more so than any other human activity.

making a list of favorite albums, basically anonymously, and throwing them into a pile of thousands is pretty low on the OMG LOOK AT ME/NARCISSIST scale imo.

there are really lots of human activities that require no inherent narcissism

one of them is listening to music without telling anybody what you're listening to.

I rate the first two Strokes albums very highly. I guess I can understand why they wouldn't be someone's bag, but I don't understand vehement opposition to them. They're solid rock records and some of the few albums from this century that I never get tired of.

did you look at the albums I picked for my list: http://peopleslist.pitchfork.com/list/a9f386e6/

hopefully this will explain why I am vehemently opposed to The Strokes
</lowlevelnarcissism>

making a list of favorite albums, basically anonymously

you do realize everyone was given their personal ballot w/ album covers and with their name on it to share with friends, right?

no one is saying that people who don't make lists aren't narcissistic. she's saying that listmaking requires narcissism, the self-esteem to express it and PATIENCE TO EXPLORE THAT NARCISSISM THOROUGHLY IN LIST FORM. And that in her experience men (and mine) have all those traits more than women. Getting butthurt that you're being called a narcissist is silly.

― da croupier, Wednesday, August 22, 2012 11:17 AM (21 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

its not about me. i think that people should be urged to share their opinions about music! later on in that piece, women indicate that they dont feel welcome to share their voices, and i think that implying 'narcissism' as the root cause is like -- to butcher a metaphor nitsuh used once -- is like sitting on the bench and then saying 'its more comfortable than being in the game anyway'.

not as prevalent as creating Posts To Strawman By

I'm not sure who the strawman in this equation is supposed to be. The Bruce Hornsby thing wasn't, y'know, meant to describe a literal phenomenon. If anything, I'd wager that the purveyors of Boringrock are largely unaware of their embarrassing progenitors.

It took nearly 1500 posts, but I just figured out why this thread sucks

she's not implying the root cause of women not feeling welcome is "narcissism." You could actually argue she's saying women are lazier narcissists.

zomg I just noticed BradNelson tweeted my list

still wondering who liked it on Faceboook

</slightlyhigherlevelnarcissism>

how dare she imply men are patient and have high self-esteem!

i'm not defensive about her characterization of men, but of her characterization of listmaking

right

feels like it's been a while since one of these

Is this gonna clusterfuck out again? Should I just post the results on the other thread?

I'm gonna post the results on the other thread, it seems quieter.

we've been talking about the results for hours fyi

characterization of listmaking in the form of a list iirc

im saying that music listmaking is no more so than any other human activity.

might wanna walk back "any other human activity" here man

I completely take deej at face value here, which just makes his objections a million times more hilarious to me