dedicated BODY COUNT thread (and poll)

"There Goes the Neighborhood" is maybe the second best riff of the '90s after Pantera's "Walk," so

This album is stone cold classic and everyone who doesnt agree is a lame x 1000

you should have a late night talk show where you constantly insult rap metal haters and call it JUDGMENT NIGHT

"There Goes the Neighborhood" for the exact reason you cite, though I think you maybe overstate the case just a little maybe

you should have a late night talk show where you constantly insult rap metal haters and call it JUDGMENT NIGHT

best show ever

the tension mounts!

This album is amazing. They were also amazing live the few times I got to see them.

"There Goes The Neighborhood" should win this in a rout.

FUCK YEAH THERE GOES THE NEIGHBORHOOD WOOO

:D

you should have a late night talk show where you constantly insult rap metal haters and call it JUDGMENT NIGHT

― some dude, Tuesday, August 21, 2012 10:42 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

there's no rapping on this album!

how fucking ignorant was charlton heston to not understand what cop killer was about?

the tension mounts!

on with the body count

This album is basically Megadeth's Peace Sells without the bloat and bullshit

I hadnt thought about it but I think I agree with that

i do not.

album is still pretty good tho

Record is dumb, goes on way too long and should've been played about 20% faster. Still enjoyed most of it when we listened to it at work recently.

should've been played about 20% faster

this is what keeps me at a distance. feels lethargic.

sometimes i think this is my favorite "metal" album

like metal that hasn't become "hard rock" with time

are there any other albums that one should chase down if they have this challop?

Any early 90s thrash album by a band that got signed to a major label probably.

suicidal tendencies, how will I laugh tomorrow - not as chaotic tho

the idea that this is a better record than peace sells is sort of definition challop tho. the better metal album...is the one by the guy who mainly raps! DID I JUST BLOW YOUR MIND

i barely like megadeth as it is; personally it's not much of a stretch for Body Count to feel better on comparison.

yeah I was guessing Suicidal Tendencies, basically I'm looking for metal with a vocalist who isn't vomiting and has somethin' to get off his chest in a wry manner

shit did i just tell myself to check out a rollins band album tomorrow? i probably did.

and what a chest it is

the idea that this is a better record than peace sells is sort of definition challop tho. the better metal album...is the one by the guy who mainly raps! DID I JUST BLOW YOUR MIND
--steven fucking tyler (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned)

I didn't say it was a better "metal album" I said it was a better album.

Album is enhanced by its limitations. The fact that Ice can't hit all his notes (esp in the power ballad) give it a real circa 1982 hardcore vibe.

Also, I mean, unlike Peace Sells, the whole "This IS the news" aspect of the Body Count album WAS ACTUALLY NEWS to middle america and the vice president and the NRA and Chuck Heston.

warning this is a parental advisory
the words on this disc are in no way offensive
they're just gonna say what you already know...

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51SNNN9B7QL._SL500_AA300_.jpg

(body count was the second song after the one above)

the body count song set a tone that the rest of the songs on the comp didn't really try to reach iirc
that was kind of weird
i remember thinking that "don't drop the baby" was kind of out of place, along with most of the other songs on there, but it did have a fun cover of "another girl, another planet" on it
anyway no one ever shouted FUCK YOU again after the body count song was done

voted "There Goes the Neighborhood"

it was fab when Ice T brought out Body Count at the first Lollapalooza shows (I saw it in ATL, expect he did it everywhere) because it felt like a gigantic 90s-hippie moment, like rap & metal can coexist & we can all get along, in being pissed off but also having a party doing it, so fucking open minded, & it still feels like we lost something crucial when all that kind of, I dunno, I want to say "multicultural", idealism kinda fell away with grunge & gangster in 92. at least that shit matters a lot to me still. i.e. Fishbone forever

Euler, can we be best friends?

yeah I really mourn the loss of that moment too - there was heavy crosspollination going on in genres & lots of campus-based & MTV-fed thinking about misty-eyed we're-all-in-the-same-gang thinking. Which is problematic politically imo but makes for some really interesting music especially aboveground. (Underground I tend to like super-segemented scenes because the various -cores were totally entertaining.) I think it was less grunge & gangster than the rise of the internet that killed that off though - fronting like you're cool is so easy online that copping an idealistic pose becomes less attractive to would-be hardmen

was the era of conflict magazine and steve albini really that much more idealistic?

i wasn't there but i've certainly read about my share of zine hardmen in the '80s

years later the Spawn soundtrack would finally unite the worlds of lukewarm electronica and nu-metal, thus finally bringing a thousand years of peace that we all nestled in like a soft downy quilt.

was the era of conflict magazine and steve albini really that much more idealistic?

that's underground though, not really what I'm talking about. I think going into the late eighties aboveground scenes were defacto segregated - dance floor dress codes, in LA clubs were so focused on their own niches that you could go to a club and only hear NY Dolls clones & compatriots on a Thursday - rap changed that up, that era of rap sort of demanding validation and full participation was musically pretty idealistic. philosophically too to a certain extent tho I think that was also largely a style matter as much as an ideological one

most police-protected show i ever attended, btw

(it was in the Bway theatre district the week after the Heston element blew up)

i remember being pretty blown away by body count at the first lollapalooza, i remember he did a regular rap set then there was this thing with helicopter noise and a fake police dude saying over the PA that the Minneapolis police were gonna shut Body Count down.....bUT THEY COULDN'T STOP IT!!!!

the big, inconvenient, un-hip fact of the first Lollapalooza:

Living Colour pretty much bodied all the other bands.

people forget what a force of nature living color was live

they managed to do justice to "sailin' on" by bad brains, no easy feat

I saw that same Lollapalooza and remember not liking Living Colour's set much. My fondest memory of it (Stanhope, NJ btw) was the very beginning of the show, 'cause it was outdoors in a big field and all these hippies had showed up thinking "awesome, outdoor concert" and set up blankets and shit right in front of the stage. Out comes the Rollins Band, Rollins bows to the crowd like he's at a kung fu tournament and the band launches into I forget what song, and all of a sudden there's a literal stampede of punks and skins into the pit and hippies and their fucking blankets are left to scramble frantically out of a huge cloud of dust. Hilarious. Also, Gibby Haynes coming out with a shotgun loaded with blanks, firing it into the crowd to kick off the Butthole Surfers' set. I hung out on the grass for Living Colour and was in line for pizza during NIN's set, so all I saw was wave upon wave of dry ice smoke billowing off the stage into the sunlit afternoon, and we didn't get a Siouxsie set 'cause she was sick.

Saw Ice-T at the Ritz in NYC the next year, and it was more or less the same set he did at Lollapalooza - 1/2 rap, 1/2 Body Count - just longer. Awesome show. And yeah, there was definitely an everybody-into-the-blender feeling from '90-'92 or so; I remember seeing Fishbone with the Dead Milkmen, the Dirty Dozen Brass Band and 2 Live Crew, then seeing Fishbone again with Primus, then again with the rap group BWP; I saw that Public Enemy/Anthrax/Primus/Young Black Teenagers tour; I saw Primus and Tad on the same bill...shows were fucking awesome back then. I am old.

Also, Gibby Haynes coming out with a shotgun loaded with blanks, firing it into the crowd to kick off the Butthole Surfers' set

yeah he did that too, and called us college faggots and told us to go to an REM show if we didn't like it

i wasn't even in college yet!

Living Colour weren't great at the Lollapalooza show I saw either (Mansfield, MA), but when I saw them a few months earlier with Urban Dance Squad opening they were amazing.

But Body Count were great. Ice-T gave the crowd shit for not going nuts for Rollins and the Surfers, except for the small group I was hanging with. He said something like, "You motherfuckers know where it's at."

I think it was less grunge & gangster than the rise of the internet that killed that off though - fronting like you're cool is so easy online that copping an idealistic pose becomes less attractive to would-be hardmen

hey aero if you were just spitballing it's all good, but do you want to unpack the idea of "above ground" would-be hardmen losing their idealism thanks to the internet? do you mean nu-metal guys getting shamed in the early '00s and turning into TRUE RAP ONLY and TRUE METAL ONLY folks?

...it felt like a gigantic 90s-hippie moment, like rap & metal can coexist & we can all get along, in being pissed off but also having a party doing it, so fucking open minded, & it still feels like we lost something crucial when all that kind of, I dunno, I want to say "multicultural", idealism kinda fell away with grunge & gangster in 92. at least that shit matters a lot to me still. i.e. Fishbone forever

― Euler, Thursday, August 23, 2012 7:22 AM (2 hours ago)

yeah I really mourn the loss of that moment too - there was heavy crosspollination going on in genres & lots of campus-based & MTV-fed thinking about misty-eyed we're-all-in-the-same-gang thinking. Which is problematic politically imo but makes for some really interesting music especially aboveground. ...I think it was less grunge & gangster than the rise of the internet that killed that off though - fronting like you're cool is so easy online that copping an idealistic pose becomes less attractive to would-be hardmen

― steven fucking tyler (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Thursday, August 23, 2012 9:47 AM (33 minutes ago)

euler OTM, though at the time, i wasn't a fan of much rap/punk/funk/metal hybrid stuff or the cultural space it existed in. thinking of fishbone, living color, 24-7 spyz, rhcp, the judgement night sdtrk, body count, follow for now, infectious grooves, rollins band, mid-period beasties, cypress hill, rage, etc. i mean, i did like some of that stuff, but as a scene and as music, it was often too jockish and testosterone-addled for me. reminded me of what i hated about high school.

it does make sense to think of the success of grunge and west coast gangster stuff as drawing the threads apart, but i think it's also that acts like ICP and limp bizkit came up and almost overnight made rock-rap fusion look regrettable to a lot of people.

Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.

i cant hate on these poll results

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THERE GOES THA NEIGHBAHOOD

i never could make a verdict on whether the drum solo is terrible or fantastic in that

"passionate"?

I heard "KKK Bitch" randomly the other day for the first time in...twenty yrs probably? That song is crazy, I think I want to hear this album again?

Guys, Body Count was a thing.

please tell me someone else has listened to the new album

the tension mounts!

I mean, it's Body Count and all but I couldn't stop making a puzzled stankface expression at "99 Problems BC"

no you're supposed to say
ON WITH THE BODY COUNT

and now I've hit "Institutionalized 2014" and this is the most hilarious "old punk man yells at cloud" artifact

xp: lol

you were more patient two years ago

PS Body Count's in the house

haha

every time i hear the words "body count" i want to scream THE TENSION MOUNTS and then wait for someone to say the correct thing
i have been losing patience over the years, you're right

no you're supposed to say
body count!

body count!

I reviewed the new album for Alternative Press.

ok .. that review makes me want to hear this album.

Can somebody please tell me if Body Count is or is not in house? TIA.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_GevN7Km74

Indeed instit. 2014 is funny as fuck. Enjoyed whole album, probly cuz i loved him as a 19 year old above all artists, and used to listen to music like bc a lot which of course now sounds old as dirt. "Body count" itself on OG was remarkably inept: afrika Islam didn't know how to record a band, or they did it themselves.

Talked to him for this, never had before and wanted to. Enjoyed it, he's a ninja interview subject, but he's just like everyone else his age mad that the youngsters don't do what he thinks they should. Would have argued with him re: this, but the outlet/editor for whom I did it also doesn't like the youngs. Oh well.

just listened to bip & the institutionalized cover. i am buying this album.

like with money

i'm not kitty
you're the one who's kitty

^ just sang this to my (unimpressed) cat

haha this body count is awesome

Playing on Fallon tonight. Or already played if you're in one of the more Mountainy/Central/Eastern time zones.

Definitely finding some catharsis in listening to "Cop Killer" on a loop atm.

Cop problems?

this is fucking righteous

https://www.vevo.com/watch/body-count/No-Lives-Matter/US4E51743101?utm_medium=embed_player&utm_content=song_title&syn_id=346c2586-d3f8-4b75-ba0d-398fdb6e4c08

omg

On with the body count!!

body count rules

god bless these guys that is serious

fuck.
that's so good.
the world needs body count right now.

at this point almost uncomfortably excited for the album

This rules.

hoooooly shit

take my money

I love his fuckin album monologues

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kVjDllE2OcE

btw this is kinda low key transgressive, ice-T is one of the faces of geico

no lives matter is dope

This album is great, def a step up from Manslaughter, and that was already pretty solid. Who else should solo on the obligatory government-conspiracy-everyone's-lying-to-you track but Dave Mustaine? Slayer cover is pretty redundant though. Do they have a tour planned?

new Body Count >>> new Mastodon

Do they have a tour planned?

Coming to Australia for the first time in 20 years (and boldly playing a 7000 cap venue)

wow, this is seriously great so far!

ty unperson for the notice that there is a new album

carnivore

title track has dinosaur roars on it

if you ever wanted to hear ice-t doing ace of spades
Bum Rush and No Remorse are awesome btw

This whole second wind of theirs has been a joy

if you ever wanted to hear ice-t doing ace of spades

as in: no such luck