Bolt the door, Varg is loose!

I have also never seen a burzum short outside of srs metal shows/obv srs metal peeps. Sounds a little hipster straw an to me tbh.

Fucking fuck u iphone.

nah i believe it. bm in general is hipster catnip. since the 90's.

hipster cats have been listening to bm since the 90's. whiney knows.

"listening to"

mostly just talking about and wearing

bm t-shirts kinda the only exceptable hepcat t-shirt. its a design thing.

i have never seen a burzum t-shirt in my six years in nyc, although tbf i don't roll w/ the hipsters like whiney

http://www.matadorrecords.com/matablog/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/phpthumb_generated_thumbnail.jpg

<3

it all depends on the hipster. its a hipster case by case basis. see i know that guy and that picture will always be hilarious. plus, he's punk as fuck.

i 100% reject the notion that the wearing of a burzum shirt indicates that one is "a little ok with racism"

indeed

This is all VON's fault.

(the music, I mean, not the racist BS)

i do believe that the wearing of a burzum t-shirt does mean that you yourself - the t-shirt wearer - have little fear of being attacked because of your race. 99.9% of the time.

man, darkspace are just incredible.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PXdCBAUW244

really not enough sci-fi metal imo

just seems like non-metal people go directly to burzum or for some perverse "trangressive" reason. it's tiresome. try the ring cycle sometime! talk about transgressive.

― scott seward, Thursday, August 16, 2012 8:13 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I think non-metal people go to Burzum for some of the same reasons non-R&B people go to the Weeknd or Frank Ocean or whatever, to be fair; it's what's hyped and discussed in their (non-inner) circles.

― Clarke B., Thursday, August 16, 2012 8:15 PM (1 hour ago)

actually, the very first BM album i ever picked up was by graveland, a blind buy based on needle-dropping and cuz it was used & cheap. got creeped out by some of the symbolism and the record label, so i sold it back almost immediately. anyway, i'm advocating against the praise of burzum's music because it is foundational, and because filosofem is so often held up one of the genre's defining (and transcendent) classics. varg doesn't deserve that kind of attention.

yeah i shouldn't get into this. and i rarely think about burzum. usually only when this thread pops up. sorry.

the problem here is that despite all the bullshit that surrounds it and the bullshit spewed by varg, filosofem and other early burzum records are exceptional and amazing untouchable pieces of work. and yeah it sucks that dude is a piece of shit, but it seems like some of you are arguing that the moral stance is to just shut up about it and pretend that they aren't thx to dude being a horrible person, but as a dude that legitimately thinks they are pretty much mind-blowing (and a dude that couldn't give a shit abt his controversy and wishes that some other not terrible dude had made these awesome records), i dont know what people want me to do? i guess either lie and say they suck/ignore them, or force myself to think that they are crap because dude is an asshole? i get the motivation there, but wtf

most people are going back and deciding the albums are bad which is lol

i dont know, its meaningful to me that horrible people can make good things. i dont know why. if hitler had painted a painting i liked i would look at/think about it. doesnt mean i would wear a shirt that said "adolf hitler", but i won't wear a shirt that says "varg vikernes" either.

and again, if you take that stance, then i hope yall are willing to 86 all the hellhammer stuff that its ok to like (mayhem, arcturus, etc) because if not then idk what to say, because if this is abt racism/advocating for murder (and not actual murder/church burning) you dont have a leg to stand on xxpost

no i still think that stuff is good. i just don't need to hear excuses for why people listen to them. or backflips. the whole "well he may be a horrible racist and murderer, BUT..."

cuz nobody looks good doing that. just listen to them or whatever. i didn't mean shut up like never talk about the music just shut up with the moral loopdeloops and all that. its silly.

everyone knows what his place is in the bm netherworld. everyone knows what a fucking moron he is. enuff znuff.

and wasn't saying shut up to anyone here in particular. but i've heard it in real life from people too. like they want me to tell them its okay to listen to burzum! no for real. they will talk about how much they like those records and then hem and haw about the dude and they feel bad about it or whatever. i don't give a shit if they feel bad. maybe they should feel bad. go to a therapist or something.

i think that people (well ok me) get forced to make those excuses because really what i want to say is "oh shit the first 5 burzum albums are amazing" without a caveat, but i know that i cant say that without somebody coming along and playing the "o u racist" game. and im not.

scott otm, i guess. i've certain said my piece(s).

-ly

I for one am very willing to 86 every arcturus record ever from my lyfe

not mayhem tho

yuck

http://images.uulyrics.com/cover/a/arcturus/album-la-masquerade-infernale.jpg

i mean forced to make those excuses on ilm, its not like i wander around streetteaming burzum, but if someone asks me abt black metal i am not going to start them with wolves in the throne room xxxpost

no cuz barf

that album cover is hilarious btw

lets be fair, if you want to go down the black metal road, its pretty much lined w/hateful assholes and total creeps. such is life!

tru, look at roxy

Arcturus is the worst thing of all time

... xpost?

hahaha

i had nice things to say about arcturus once:

http://www.villagevoice.com/2003-05-06/music/werewolves-of-norway/

but i kinda made them sound like hell too.

It is true that bm in particular is p full of assholes. I feel like its a tacit understanding amongst fans of the genre that you don't nec support anything the persons involved in making the album actually do or think. Of course there are also loads of great and smart ppl doing it too, and it's a special treat when you find someone like say Ludicra

you liked Arcturus!!

confederates in the messageboard

hello?

THE RACUSM IS COMING FROM INSIDE THE THREAD!!!

why don't people just listen to other good black metal? there is a ton of it. unless you are siegbran. then you are just a lost cause and a lifer. and siegbran does own every graveland album. autographed even!

i was being sarcastic there.

i 100% reject the notion that the wearing of a burzum shirt indicates that one is "a little ok with racism"

it kinda does though! "I'm willing to advertise this album by a white nationalist" is at least part of what a Burzum t-shirt says, to a certain extent you don't get to define the terms of the brand you wear.

i really do think it means "racism doesn't effect my life".

i'd like to add a burzum tshirt related anecdote

a few years ago i was at the empty bottle in chicago, and i was there to see nachtmystium, and maybe yakuza? i don't remember who the other two bands were. who cares. anyway, it was around the time that there was a bit of brouhaha about the band going soft/darkwave/gothy/dance and the singer/guitarist/guy whose band it is had just gotten his hair cut much shorter (doesn't sound like a big deal, but i heard people talking!) and before the show he was hanging around the bar and...wearing a burzum tshirt.

by the time he went on stage, he had changed his shirt. i don't remember what the band was, only that he had changed it. i never really figured out what this meant, though -- to him, to the other people there, to whomever. (i also didn't ask anyone) does this happen all the time? i couldn't even figure out really what this said to me about him and his motivations to myself. i don't know the guy, i certainly can't read his mind. how would i know what that means?

tl; dr
in a way i think any one way of viewing burzum shirt wearing does not cover the spectrum of possible implications, so just airing out what it means to different people is a valuable exercise. at least i think so. also i suppose i am a hipster douchebag for being at this show in the first place. (j/k, i'm not)

i'm sorry if this has been said like 100x already
i skimmed a little

in a way i think any one way of viewing burzum shirt wearing does not cover the spectrum of possible implications, so just airing out what it means to different people is a valuable exercise.

I agree with this completely.