Bolt the door, Varg is loose!

well look at that, sometimes your own colloquialism can turn on you xxpost to myself

VARRRRRGGGGGHHHHHHH

you know i've never understood those numbers on vietnamese places

http://www.theinevitablenose.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/varg.jpg

fear the pecs

fear the moobs more like

http://www.nocleansinging.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/Varg-2012-promo-2-e1333238263659.jpg

I'm looking for

Girls who like guys
Ages 30-40
Near me
Who are single
For new friends, long-term dating, casual sex

you know i've never understood those numbers on vietnamese places

88 is a lucky number in Chinese (and, by proxy, Vietnamese) because it resembles the characters for "double happiness"

ah ok, i figured it was a date

what about 79?

https://www.google.com/search?q=pho+79

7+9 = 16

16/2 = 8

two eights = 88

DO YOU SEE

what about 79?

my best guess: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-Vietnamese_War

dude i str8 up looked up '1979' and it's relation to vietnam, on my phone, at Pho 79, just cuz i was so confused

also:

idk man, you can't un-know what you know. the distinction is sort of without-difference. it's not even about authorial intent -- no doubt varg would disagree that what he does is "non-race related music", but that's irrelevant.

this is something i've been thinking about, at least in the sense that i'm pretty sure i first heard burzum-as-music just slightly before i knew about burzum-as-horrible-person. basically what about a (maybe strawman) teenager that is given a burzum CD by a creepy buddy (NO DOUBT IN A BLACK DUSTER, SAYIN), and who digs it, supposed to do when he finds out about vag's dumb beliefs? be all "oh well guess i can't listen to that anymore," or what? like i said: probably a strawman here, since said teenager could just listen to other stuff that's like and maybe better than burzum but lacking the baggage, but still

the only people who have the luxury of entertaining this situation as a conundrum are those who aren't in groups targeted by racists

the chain of thought that goes "oh I like this"/"the person who created it is a massive racist"/"he probably would hate this person I know"/"cool tunes though" is very distinct from "oh I like this"/"the person who created it is a massive racist"/"he hates me"/"shame about the cool tunes, not giving time and money to someone who hates me"

yeah :-/

There's got to be a way of differentiating between "I am a person who is offended by that Burzum t-shirt b/c I know enough about Varg Vikernes to know better" kind of offended and a "my parents were in a gulag why the fuck are you wearing that CCCP shirt you asshole" / "I was beaten by police in Cuba, please don't come to my party wearing a Che shirt" kind of offended.

degree and kind of offense depends more on the nature of the offendee than the nature of the offense, though. think it's specious to pretend that there's no relation between varg's philosophies and real-world hate crimes, or that there's no relation between his philosophies and his music. it's all related.

difference in kind. symbols of political violence v. hatred of a person for their religion, skin color, etc. political violence ends when the regime ends. racism and antisemitism will live on as long the ideas are alive, so it's the idea that's the problem as opposed to a memory of a dead regime.

"I was beaten by police in Cuba, please don't come to my party wearing a Che shirt"

what are you some, some kind of fascist batista thug?

i'll beat you down againb right now!!!

srsly though i am equally offended when i see people at ike turner shows

srsly though i am equally offended when i see people at ike turner shows

― the late great, Thursday, August 16, 2012 3:48 PM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

ike turner shows in the last five years have been pretty weird

just to make clear what you're tacitly endorsing in finding kind things to say about varg's music - from april of this year:

http://www.burzum.org/eng/library/war_in_europe02.shtml

This is a reaction to Grethe Bøe-Waal, who the 21st of April 2012 wrote an article for Aftenposten (a "Norwegian" newspaper) titled "The Price of Racism". She talks about her adoptee friend of Asian descent who according to her was driven to suicide by the racism he was exposed to in Norway. She talks about how the racists are responsible for the consequences of their words.

As a Norwegian I react strongly to what she has to say, and would like that she and others like her had a better understanding of reality. Racists are not the problem when Norwegians adopt or in other manners import individuals of other races to our country. The problem is the "anti-racists'" lack of respect for and comprehension of the fact that we actually have a diversity on this planet not only in respect to different animal races and species but also in respect to different human races and even different human species (see www.atala.fr for proof of that)! If you take a look at nature you will see that the various animal races and species do not mix naturally; only animals who have had their insincts broken down by breeding and domestication and in a few rare cases also wild animals who have no alternatives (like animals in captivity) mix with other races or species. If you for example take a dog and place it amongst wolves the wolves will kill it immediately. That's how nature works, whether we like it or not. "Anti-racists" for sure don't like it, for various reasons, but it is wrong to attack racists only because they are exactly how nature intended them to be.

Try to corner an animal and you will see what will happen! Be not surprised when the animal attacks you. Humans are also animals, and people like Anders Breivik act on instinct because you have cornered them. You can actually thank yourselves for the fact that he killed some of you "anti-racists". You have cornered our entire European race! Like Breivik says more and more individuals in the European nations will react with aggression. Finally large groups will revolt. Perhaps even entire peoples. The future does not look bright. The carnage will come – and it is all your fault! This is a consequence of your "anti-racist" policies and your actions! You and those who "educated" you are responsible for this.

he's explicitly justifying racism as "natural", condemning anti-racism as misguided, condemning "race-mixing", and blaming anti-racists for the "natural" violence that results from immigration and interracial relations of any sort. he's also passively endorsing all-out race war.

I think this is where the conversation goes to "that's not in the music though," usually

i think goole's point that white power dipshits always love bullshit thinly disguised racial allegories in the form of half-ass tolkien and norse god warmongering shit stands

otm. the music is the soundtrack. the music articulates the grand "philosophical" and "spiritual" themes that the frankly genocidal racism hides behind. purity, old ways, man in his natural state, the warrior's nobility, etc. facist-romantic horseshit. the music provides artistic legitimacy to the project and gives varg a way to attract others to his underlying ideas.

the guy celebrates anders fucking brevik as a revolutionary hero and explicitly encourages others to follow his lead. he'd be hitler if he had a big enough audience, and it's not like he isn't trying to recruit, "inspire" and lead.

steven fucking tyler OTM

explicitly encourages others to follow his lead.

good thing we have good guys like you contendo to fight back against that

we can hopefully enjoy his music w/o furthering his agenda, just as we can make LOLcats of breivik w/o adding to his fame

just to make clear what you're tacitly endorsing in finding kind things to say about varg's music - from april of this year:

http://www.burzum.org/eng/library/war_in_europe02.shtml

_This is a reaction to Grethe Bøe-Waal, who the 21st of April 2012 wrote an article for Aftenposten (a "Norwegian" newspaper) titled "The Price of Racism". She talks about her adoptee friend of Asian descent who according to her was driven to suicide by the racism he was exposed to in Norway. She talks about how the racists are responsible for the consequences of their words.

As a Norwegian I react strongly to what she has to say, and would like that she and others like her had a better understanding of reality. Racists are not the problem when Norwegians adopt or in other manners import individuals of other races to our country. The problem is the "anti-racists'" lack of respect for and comprehension of the fact that we actually have a diversity on this planet not only in respect to different animal races and species but also in respect to different human races and even different human species (see www.atala.fr for proof of that)! If you take a look at nature you will see that the various animal races and species do not mix naturally; only animals who have had their insincts broken down by breeding and domestication and in a few rare cases also wild animals who have no alternatives (like animals in captivity) mix with other races or species. If you for example take a dog and place it amongst wolves the wolves will kill it immediately. That's how nature works, whether we like it or not. "Anti-racists" for sure don't like it, for various reasons, but it is wrong to attack racists only because they are exactly how nature intended them to be._

_Try to corner an animal and you will see what will happen! Be not surprised when the animal attacks you. Humans are also animals, and people like Anders Breivik act on instinct because you have cornered them. You can actually thank yourselves for the fact that he killed some of you "anti-racists". You have cornered our entire European race! Like Breivik says more and more individuals in the European nations will react with aggression. Finally large groups will revolt. Perhaps even entire peoples. The future does not look bright. The carnage will come – and it is all your fault! This is a consequence of your "anti-racist" policies and your actions! You and those who "educated" you are responsible for this._

he's explicitly justifying racism as "natural", condemning anti-racism as misguided, condemning "race-mixing", and blaming anti-racists for the "natural" violence that results from immigration and interracial relations of any sort. he's also passively endorsing all-out race war.

Cool dude, maybe he'd like to go to a Gunplay show with me

i mean honestly just lighten up. do you refuse to listen to megadeth or ted nugent too?

She talks about her adoptee friend of Asian descent who according to her was driven to suicide by the racism he was exposed to in Norway. She talks about how the racists are responsible for the consequences of their words.

i mean i'm really sympathetic about bullying as part of my job but at the same time, no one is ever forced to commit suicide, outside of a vietnamese POW camp

ok i'm listening to this shit on spotify:

song: "feeble screams from forests unknown" - some demon yelling at me over undead meg white sitting in with seasons in the abyss era slayer. has some weird breakdown where he throws a fit about something, lord why is this song 7 1/2 minutes long. these drums are hilarious.

this is like the no-fun version of Caster Volor

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qCvGwjAYKvg&feature=relmfu

i mean honestly just lighten up. do you refuse to listen to megadeth or ted nugent too?

lol is this a serious question

man this is really terribly produced

xp yeah dude i was listening to hangar 18 today and LOLing about how stupid mustaine is. also the one time i waited on him in my bookstore and it was like dealing w/ a prepuberty garth from wayne's world

this is part of being, you know, in a society as opposed to a desert island

if burzum lyrics were audible racist bullshit, i would probably not be able to tolerate burzum (though i can tolerate prof griff and ice cube, go figure)

but i think it's possible for me to give varg money for his music and to deal with his music and his politics separately, otherwise you disappear down the rabbit hole of "you can't buy any records on DGC or virgin because then you're giving money to babykillling predator drones" leftie freegan scumbag nonsense

late great, you mistake me. I think one should not "enjoy the music." there is plenty of good music to listen to, so you don't have to give oxygen to an asshole like Varg, no matter what his music sounds like.

1st person to get in with some "but where do you draw the line? what if it's a person who doesn't repay his loans?" bullshit gets

http://www.deuceofdavenport.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/3rdbass2.jpg

otherwise you disappear down the rabbit hole of "you can't buy any records on DGC or virgin because then you're giving money to babykillling predator drones" leftie freegan scumbag nonsense

no you don't, at all, this is something you tell yourself to avoid the actual moral content of buying burzum records.

it's pretty easy to not listen to ted nugent or megadeth, people do it everyday

i don't know, i would disagree. i think you have to love the racist and appreciate his contributions to society.

moral dimensions of buying burzum records = same reason i am willing to give my money to the people in my neighborhood who are republicans and fundies and not wanting to start a race war

I have not heard a note of Ted Nugent's music since... 1980? And I never liked Megadeth. It's just incredibly lolsome that you would throw them out there as ubiquitous must-hear artists one has to bend over backwards to avoid when neither of them has been musically relevant in 20 years at best.

well some of the shit you listen to is lolsome to me too ;-)

if we start boycotting every racist in america we end up w/ a resegregated societty

it's only by engaging w/ the racists and drawing them in that we change society

ie ICP dan

anyway as a middle easterner i'm sure breivik and varg would be gunning for me before you j0hn so it's not like this convo is academic to me

dan u haven't heard "If You Can't Lick 'Em...Lick 'Em" or "Love Grenade"??....man u haven't lived :(

a completely incoherent argument you're presenting there late great - whose sole purpose seems to be the shirk ing of moral responsibilities. "engaging" them lol. DON'T BUY SHIT BY NAZIS IS REALLY FUCKING EASY PROPOSITION TO UNDERSTAND AND DOES NOT, TO ANY EVEN REMOTELY SENSIBLE MIND, lead to "oh but can I eat at McDonald's?"

I mean, we're talking about shit you have to ACTIVELY SEEK OUT in order to hear it, so the "where do you draw the line?" question has a pretty easy answer: "don't actively seek this shit out"

also you realize I haven't bought or actively sought out anything recorded by ICP in over a decade, right

"if you say I can't give money to an actual nazi...I don't know man...free speech"

i don't think that mustaine and nugent are comparable, though i don't have much time for either.

varg's an influential "thinker" who's advocating racial violence in a europe that's increasingly consumed by such. i don't object to his music because he has shitty ideas. i reject his music because he's working hard to give his shitty ideas real political power and legitimacy in the world, and his music is part of that. and because lots of other people are both helping him and following his lead. his music is part of that, too.

people are getting hurt and killed in the here and now because of things said and ideas spread by people like varg vikernes. he's an active force for evil in the world. if mustaine and nugent were out there advocating racist genocide, i'd feel exactly the same way about them (admit that it wouldn't surprise me from mustaine at this point).

tbh, i don't think you can enjoy his music without furthering his agenda. unless, maybe, you steal it and never say anything positive about it to anyone. i believe that where burzum is concerned, ignoring and condemning are the only appropriate responses, even if you do legitimately dig the music.

but where do you draw the line contenderizer? money is the root of all evil...so if I spend money...I'm evil...so therefore giving it to nazis...same thing

wait wait wait we are not talking about Listening To Burzum (which is obviously OK, christ), we are talking about buying/making and wearing a Burzum t-shirt