Taylor Swift - RED - October 22

"why's she always SHRIEKING ON about HOW AWFUL MEN ARE" was what i constantly heard from male critics back in the 90s about tori, fiona, alanis et al btw, the answer was and continues to be BECAUSE YOU ARE AWFUL

― lex pretend, Tuesday, August 14, 2012 3:11 PM (8 minutes ago) Bookmark

don't you mean "we"?

Don't mind me, just playin' princess:

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this is fucking terrible you guys

like, this is even beyond the level of "not my thing but at least it's written well" where I grudgingly afford Taylor some measure of respect, given that I think she can't sing a fucking note

I wish this song was a person that I could drive out to a cornfield and abandon next to the Jeepers Creepers scarecrow

Why you gotta be so mean?

at some point I'm going to record some kewpie-doll chirpy teenager singing a song titled "I Got My Period (So My Boyfriend Dumped Me ;_;)" and you guys will go apeshit for it

time's a'wastin'

The subject isn't the problem: the singing is overemphatic and flat, and the treatment is way too cute.

I'm a big TS fan and this just isn't very good at all.

very relieved that RED refers to lipstick and not that gap/bono charity venture

at some point I'm going to record some kewpie-doll chirpy teenager singing a song titled "I Got My Period (So My Boyfriend Dumped Me ;_;)" and you guys will go apeshit for it

― Lil Swayne of Pie (DJP), Tuesday, August 14, 2012 2:30 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this is one of the greatest posts ever

If only Enchanted had been released in a single (in a way that didn't have to truncate it too much) and became the "My Heart Will Go On" of our time.

― Tim F, Tuesday, August 14, 2012 8:42 AM (8 hours ago)

YES

this new song depresses me tbh, and reading the description of the album only worsens that :(

this is like putting tswift through a 2012 pop generator but losing all the personality and personal charm that made her music worthwhile in the first place

I'm in the minority, I guess: I dislike not so much the indie line as the bad acting she puts into saying the line. It's like a kid wearing a big black mustache.

― a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, August 14, 2012 11:14 AM (6 hours ago)

yeah i had the same thought. she does not sell this well at ALL

sorry catching up

DJP please record said song

I'm in the minority, I guess: I dislike not so much the indie line as the bad acting she puts into saying the line. It's like a kid wearing a big black mustache.

― a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, August 14, 2012 11:14 AM (6 hours ago)

yeah i had the same thought. she does not sell this well at ALL

Also, not even that, but I feel like in a day where Beyonce and Gwyneth Paltrow claims to listen to Juicy J (!), Grimes, Hot Chip, Chief Keef, and Beach House, and music is so accessible via the internet, a line like "with some indie record that's cooler than mine" is selling a kind of populism that feels more annoying than indie snobbery.

^^^

haven't even heard this song yet, tbf, but YES!!!

I mean, the number of indie fans who think their favorite records are cooler than Taylor Swift is small enough not to worry about her profit share.

*small enough for her

oh i think that number dwarfs her album sales, but it's not like they're swing voters she can win over anyway

T-Swift as the Mittens of global pop.

I think people are maybe reading too much into this line - I think Taylor's just having a go at an ex (real or imaginary) who is condescending about his superior taste. She's reaching for a strawman example because it gets the point across more easily and broadly - the archetype of the boyfriend who tries to school his girlfriend on great obscure music is pretty well entrenched.

But there remains the gap between intention and result, and you know how the latter fudge the former.

I think people are maybe reading too much into this line - I think Taylor's just having a go at an ex (real or imaginary) who is condescending about his superior taste. She's reaching for a strawman example because it gets the point across more easily and broadly - the archetype of the boyfriend who tries to school his girlfriend on great obscure music is pretty well entrenched.

― Tim F, Tuesday, August 14, 2012 5:41 PM (12 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yeah it's definitely other ppl that are reading too much into that taylor swift line

lol

Whatever, I don't think this is Taylor's contribution to an ILX 'Indie Guilt?' thread.

this talk about Taylor's "indie" line reminds me of the hubbub over "your record collect don't exist/ you don't even know who Liz Phair is"

that was a much better line

^^^

except, even though I agree with Tim re: it feels like a more specific swipe at a particular type of ex than a music listening demographic, I agree with Alfred et al. that it comes off as more forced/calculated a line than funny or charming?

and the Liz Phair line is the example of how to do that self-referential thing properly, in part because it's kind of self-deprecating rather than self-congratulatory

like. the liz phair line is funnier and about how she's fucking a younger dude and judging him for not knowing enough about music but also praising him for being a simple enjoyable uncomplicated fuck but it's also a joke about how she cares about her musical relevance and views herself as an indicator of how well people know music.

the taylor line, even if it's actually just about a boyfriend is kind of a 'he's a smug jerk, and i'm sarcastically mocking him for being a smug jerk." that's it.

plus Liz Phair was actually indie

i like the liz phair line more too, but i remember people frothing at the mouth about it (and that entire album) at the time

before it's all over more swift fans will probably froth at the mouth about her working with max martin than phair phans phrothed about the matrix

well let's wait until the poll in December, hm?

The eyes of the nation will be on you then, @l.

I wouldn't put much of this song, including the awkwardness of the lyrics or phrasing, past Max "My Life Would Suck Without You" Martin.

Hey, how 'bout that new song from Pink? Is that being talked about somewhere?

kelly and pink work with dude from geggy tah now, they're over max

wait you really think taylor fans on this board would "froth" over her working with max martin???

with miguel, maybe

i didn't say on this board, although there's already a fair amount of bitching about this song and blaming him for it itt

I like Max Martin, but he's had his ups and downs and if the production sucks on a song that you have production credits on, better look out.

i heartily disapprove of "my life would suck without you" being the stock negative comparator here btw, that song banged

at some point I'm going to record some kewpie-doll chirpy teenager singing a song titled "I Got My Period (So My Boyfriend Dumped Me ;_;)" and you guys will go apeshit for it

― Lil Swayne of Pie (DJP), Tuesday, August 14, 2012 3:30 PM (7 hours ago) Bookmark

lmfao

this is one of the greatest posts ever

― Jandek at the Disco (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, August 14, 2012 5:19 PM (5 hours ago) Bookmark

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My daughter posing with Taylor Swift.

picking her nose for her. how sweet.

She'd do anything for Taylor.

(Or she would have six months ago; I think she's moved on)

now there's a title: "Do Anything (I'd Pick Your Nose For You)"