she's dating a kennedy and i have to be honest you guys I AM WORRIED FOR HER
― lex pretend, Tuesday, 14 August 2012 19:14 (eleven years ago) link
xposts
Oh yeah, the "original" mix helps the song a lot. Hope that's the album version.
― something of an astrological coup (tipsy mothra), Tuesday, 14 August 2012 19:15 (eleven years ago) link
And in re nabisco, do we really need to make a list of all of the people who've spent entire careers writing songs about relationship problems?
― something of an astrological coup (tipsy mothra), Tuesday, 14 August 2012 19:16 (eleven years ago) link
jake gyllenhaal, that blonde guy from glee with the big lips
don't most male songwriters blame women just as much? like most people want to look the good one in break-up situations, and taylor's critisized herself more than most
― prolego, Tuesday, 14 August 2012 19:16 (eleven years ago) link
it kind of feels like "blaming men" as a thing that female songwriters do has actually largely been erased from mainstream pop culture outside of r&b
― lex pretend, Tuesday, 14 August 2012 19:17 (eleven years ago) link
This is where a lifetime of hardly paying attention to lyrics means I have no dog in this fight, thankfully.
― Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 14 August 2012 19:18 (eleven years ago) link
so glad Stevie Nicks and Joni Mitchell didn't write songs about their terrible relationships
― a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 14 August 2012 19:18 (eleven years ago) link
xpost OK, she didn't "literally" fly, but she was dressed as a princess and lofted into the air on a floating balcony. Close enough, says I.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 14 August 2012 19:20 (eleven years ago) link
"why's she always SHRIEKING ON about HOW AWFUL MEN ARE" was what i constantly heard from male critics back in the 90s about tori, fiona, alanis et al btw, the answer was and continues to be BECAUSE YOU ARE AWFUL
― lex pretend, Tuesday, August 14, 2012 3:11 PM (8 minutes ago) Bookmark
don't you mean "we"?
― Pollopolicía (some dude), Tuesday, 14 August 2012 19:21 (eleven years ago) link
Don't mind me, just playin' princess:
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-5-WyxaCqHds/Te0oQmgogDI/AAAAAAAAEY8/sCBa80_t1Vw/s1600/DSCN1691.JPG
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 14 August 2012 19:22 (eleven years ago) link
this is fucking terrible you guys
like, this is even beyond the level of "not my thing but at least it's written well" where I grudgingly afford Taylor some measure of respect, given that I think she can't sing a fucking note
I wish this song was a person that I could drive out to a cornfield and abandon next to the Jeepers Creepers scarecrow
― Lil Swayne of Pie (DJP), Tuesday, 14 August 2012 19:27 (eleven years ago) link
Why you gotta be so mean?
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 14 August 2012 19:29 (eleven years ago) link
at some point I'm going to record some kewpie-doll chirpy teenager singing a song titled "I Got My Period (So My Boyfriend Dumped Me ;_;)" and you guys will go apeshit for it
― Lil Swayne of Pie (DJP), Tuesday, 14 August 2012 19:30 (eleven years ago) link
time's a'wastin'
― "Batshit crazy," the foam clog tycoon said. (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 14 August 2012 19:39 (eleven years ago) link
The subject isn't the problem: the singing is overemphatic and flat, and the treatment is way too cute.
― a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 14 August 2012 19:40 (eleven years ago) link
I'm a big TS fan and this just isn't very good at all.
― Legendary General Cypher Raige (Gukbe), Tuesday, 14 August 2012 19:46 (eleven years ago) link
very relieved that RED refers to lipstick and not that gap/bono charity venture
― bugler, Tuesday, 14 August 2012 20:15 (eleven years ago) link
― Lil Swayne of Pie (DJP), Tuesday, August 14, 2012 2:30 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
this is one of the greatest posts ever
― Jandek at the Disco (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 14 August 2012 21:19 (eleven years ago) link
If only Enchanted had been released in a single (in a way that didn't have to truncate it too much) and became the "My Heart Will Go On" of our time.
― Tim F, Tuesday, August 14, 2012 8:42 AM (8 hours ago)
YES
this new song depresses me tbh, and reading the description of the album only worsens that :(
this is like putting tswift through a 2012 pop generator but losing all the personality and personal charm that made her music worthwhile in the first place
― ticagrelor rotini (k3vin k.), Tuesday, 14 August 2012 21:33 (eleven years ago) link
I'm in the minority, I guess: I dislike not so much the indie line as the bad acting she puts into saying the line. It's like a kid wearing a big black mustache.
― a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, August 14, 2012 11:14 AM (6 hours ago)
yeah i had the same thought. she does not sell this well at ALL
― ticagrelor rotini (k3vin k.), Tuesday, 14 August 2012 21:34 (eleven years ago) link
sorry catching up
DJP please record said song
― Ówen P., Tuesday, 14 August 2012 21:45 (eleven years ago) link
Also, not even that, but I feel like in a day where Beyonce and Gwyneth Paltrow claims to listen to Juicy J (!), Grimes, Hot Chip, Chief Keef, and Beach House, and music is so accessible via the internet, a line like "with some indie record that's cooler than mine" is selling a kind of populism that feels more annoying than indie snobbery.
― heiswagger (rennavate), Tuesday, 14 August 2012 22:18 (eleven years ago) link
^^^
haven't even heard this song yet, tbf, but YES!!!
― to welcome jer.fairall, pie is served. (jer.fairall), Tuesday, 14 August 2012 22:24 (eleven years ago) link
I mean, the number of indie fans who think their favorite records are cooler than Taylor Swift is small enough not to worry about her profit share.
― a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 14 August 2012 22:25 (eleven years ago) link
*small enough for her
oh i think that number dwarfs her album sales, but it's not like they're swing voters she can win over anyway
― Pollopolicía (some dude), Tuesday, 14 August 2012 22:31 (eleven years ago) link
T-Swift as the Mittens of global pop.
― a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 14 August 2012 22:33 (eleven years ago) link
I think people are maybe reading too much into this line - I think Taylor's just having a go at an ex (real or imaginary) who is condescending about his superior taste. She's reaching for a strawman example because it gets the point across more easily and broadly - the archetype of the boyfriend who tries to school his girlfriend on great obscure music is pretty well entrenched.
― Tim F, Tuesday, 14 August 2012 22:41 (eleven years ago) link
But there remains the gap between intention and result, and you know how the latter fudge the former.
― a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 14 August 2012 22:47 (eleven years ago) link
― Tim F, Tuesday, August 14, 2012 5:41 PM (12 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
yeah it's definitely other ppl that are reading too much into that taylor swift line
― Jandek at the Disco (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 14 August 2012 22:54 (eleven years ago) link
lol
― Pollopolicía (some dude), Tuesday, 14 August 2012 22:54 (eleven years ago) link
Whatever, I don't think this is Taylor's contribution to an ILX 'Indie Guilt?' thread.
― Tim F, Tuesday, 14 August 2012 23:30 (eleven years ago) link
this talk about Taylor's "indie" line reminds me of the hubbub over "your record collect don't exist/ you don't even know who Liz Phair is"
― da croupier, Tuesday, 14 August 2012 23:36 (eleven years ago) link
that was a much better line
― spanky hotel frogstrot (how's life), Tuesday, 14 August 2012 23:50 (eleven years ago) link
except, even though I agree with Tim re: it feels like a more specific swipe at a particular type of ex than a music listening demographic, I agree with Alfred et al. that it comes off as more forced/calculated a line than funny or charming?
and the Liz Phair line is the example of how to do that self-referential thing properly, in part because it's kind of self-deprecating rather than self-congratulatory
― twinkin' and drinkin' and ready to fly (Alex in Montreal), Tuesday, 14 August 2012 23:50 (eleven years ago) link
like. the liz phair line is funnier and about how she's fucking a younger dude and judging him for not knowing enough about music but also praising him for being a simple enjoyable uncomplicated fuck but it's also a joke about how she cares about her musical relevance and views herself as an indicator of how well people know music.
― twinkin' and drinkin' and ready to fly (Alex in Montreal), Tuesday, 14 August 2012 23:52 (eleven years ago) link
the taylor line, even if it's actually just about a boyfriend is kind of a 'he's a smug jerk, and i'm sarcastically mocking him for being a smug jerk." that's it.
― twinkin' and drinkin' and ready to fly (Alex in Montreal), Tuesday, 14 August 2012 23:53 (eleven years ago) link
plus Liz Phair was actually indie
― a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 14 August 2012 23:53 (eleven years ago) link
i like the liz phair line more too, but i remember people frothing at the mouth about it (and that entire album) at the time
― da croupier, Tuesday, 14 August 2012 23:57 (eleven years ago) link
before it's all over more swift fans will probably froth at the mouth about her working with max martin than phair phans phrothed about the matrix
― some dude, Tuesday, 14 August 2012 23:59 (eleven years ago) link
well let's wait until the poll in December, hm?
― a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 15 August 2012 00:00 (eleven years ago) link
The eyes of the nation will be on you then, @l.
― a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 15 August 2012 00:09 (eleven years ago) link
I wouldn't put much of this song, including the awkwardness of the lyrics or phrasing, past Max "My Life Would Suck Without You" Martin.
Hey, how 'bout that new song from Pink? Is that being talked about somewhere?
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 15 August 2012 00:10 (eleven years ago) link
kelly and pink work with dude from geggy tah now, they're over max
― some dude, Wednesday, 15 August 2012 00:14 (eleven years ago) link
wait you really think taylor fans on this board would "froth" over her working with max martin???
― tauheed & cambria (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 15 August 2012 00:21 (eleven years ago) link
with miguel, maybe
i didn't say on this board, although there's already a fair amount of bitching about this song and blaming him for it itt
― some dude, Wednesday, 15 August 2012 00:23 (eleven years ago) link
I like Max Martin, but he's had his ups and downs and if the production sucks on a song that you have production credits on, better look out.
― spanky hotel frogstrot (how's life), Wednesday, 15 August 2012 00:26 (eleven years ago) link
i heartily disapprove of "my life would suck without you" being the stock negative comparator here btw, that song banged
― ticagrelor rotini (k3vin k.), Wednesday, 15 August 2012 02:35 (eleven years ago) link