Taylor Swift - RED - October 22

Country Mix: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pn4991lPMjg

the country mix is preferable to me but still just ok.

"safe & sound" never gave me the idea that she would 'go adult contemporary' or even that it was ac. but what do i know, i guess i have a higher tolerance for that stuff than many do

Nabisco speaks

https://twitter.com/ntabebe/status/235449124793753600

t-swift critics are gonna have to make their minds up whether they're charging her with selling a princessy happy-ever-after fairytale to impressionable young women or constantly whining about her awful relationships at some point

"why's she always SHRIEKING ON about HOW AWFUL MEN ARE" was what i constantly heard from male critics back in the 90s about tori, fiona, alanis et al btw, the answer was and continues to be BECAUSE YOU ARE AWFUL

a princessy happy-ever-after fairytale

Still say this is a legit criticism when she literally dresses like a princess and flies at her concerts.

Honest question, given how many relationships were allegedly behind the last record, who has she been dating/breaking up with the meantime?

I dunno, guys, she could have been using her imagination all those times.

she...doesn't literally fly at her concerts

i mean, if that's something else london missed out on, i'm well jel

she's dating a kennedy and i have to be honest you guys I AM WORRIED FOR HER

xposts

Oh yeah, the "original" mix helps the song a lot. Hope that's the album version.

And in re nabisco, do we really need to make a list of all of the people who've spent entire careers writing songs about relationship problems?

jake gyllenhaal, that blonde guy from glee with the big lips

don't most male songwriters blame women just as much? like most people want to look the good one in break-up situations, and taylor's critisized herself more than most

it kind of feels like "blaming men" as a thing that female songwriters do has actually largely been erased from mainstream pop culture outside of r&b

This is where a lifetime of hardly paying attention to lyrics means I have no dog in this fight, thankfully.

so glad Stevie Nicks and Joni Mitchell didn't write songs about their terrible relationships

xpost OK, she didn't "literally" fly, but she was dressed as a princess and lofted into the air on a floating balcony. Close enough, says I.

"why's she always SHRIEKING ON about HOW AWFUL MEN ARE" was what i constantly heard from male critics back in the 90s about tori, fiona, alanis et al btw, the answer was and continues to be BECAUSE YOU ARE AWFUL

― lex pretend, Tuesday, August 14, 2012 3:11 PM (8 minutes ago) Bookmark

don't you mean "we"?

Don't mind me, just playin' princess:

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-5-WyxaCqHds/Te0oQmgogDI/AAAAAAAAEY8/sCBa80_t1Vw/s1600/DSCN1691.JPG

this is fucking terrible you guys

like, this is even beyond the level of "not my thing but at least it's written well" where I grudgingly afford Taylor some measure of respect, given that I think she can't sing a fucking note

I wish this song was a person that I could drive out to a cornfield and abandon next to the Jeepers Creepers scarecrow

Why you gotta be so mean?

at some point I'm going to record some kewpie-doll chirpy teenager singing a song titled "I Got My Period (So My Boyfriend Dumped Me ;_;)" and you guys will go apeshit for it

time's a'wastin'

The subject isn't the problem: the singing is overemphatic and flat, and the treatment is way too cute.

I'm a big TS fan and this just isn't very good at all.

very relieved that RED refers to lipstick and not that gap/bono charity venture

at some point I'm going to record some kewpie-doll chirpy teenager singing a song titled "I Got My Period (So My Boyfriend Dumped Me ;_;)" and you guys will go apeshit for it

― Lil Swayne of Pie (DJP), Tuesday, August 14, 2012 2:30 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this is one of the greatest posts ever

If only Enchanted had been released in a single (in a way that didn't have to truncate it too much) and became the "My Heart Will Go On" of our time.

― Tim F, Tuesday, August 14, 2012 8:42 AM (8 hours ago)

YES

this new song depresses me tbh, and reading the description of the album only worsens that :(

this is like putting tswift through a 2012 pop generator but losing all the personality and personal charm that made her music worthwhile in the first place

I'm in the minority, I guess: I dislike not so much the indie line as the bad acting she puts into saying the line. It's like a kid wearing a big black mustache.

― a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, August 14, 2012 11:14 AM (6 hours ago)

yeah i had the same thought. she does not sell this well at ALL

sorry catching up

DJP please record said song

I'm in the minority, I guess: I dislike not so much the indie line as the bad acting she puts into saying the line. It's like a kid wearing a big black mustache.

― a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, August 14, 2012 11:14 AM (6 hours ago)

yeah i had the same thought. she does not sell this well at ALL

Also, not even that, but I feel like in a day where Beyonce and Gwyneth Paltrow claims to listen to Juicy J (!), Grimes, Hot Chip, Chief Keef, and Beach House, and music is so accessible via the internet, a line like "with some indie record that's cooler than mine" is selling a kind of populism that feels more annoying than indie snobbery.

^^^

haven't even heard this song yet, tbf, but YES!!!

I mean, the number of indie fans who think their favorite records are cooler than Taylor Swift is small enough not to worry about her profit share.

*small enough for her

oh i think that number dwarfs her album sales, but it's not like they're swing voters she can win over anyway

T-Swift as the Mittens of global pop.

I think people are maybe reading too much into this line - I think Taylor's just having a go at an ex (real or imaginary) who is condescending about his superior taste. She's reaching for a strawman example because it gets the point across more easily and broadly - the archetype of the boyfriend who tries to school his girlfriend on great obscure music is pretty well entrenched.

But there remains the gap between intention and result, and you know how the latter fudge the former.

I think people are maybe reading too much into this line - I think Taylor's just having a go at an ex (real or imaginary) who is condescending about his superior taste. She's reaching for a strawman example because it gets the point across more easily and broadly - the archetype of the boyfriend who tries to school his girlfriend on great obscure music is pretty well entrenched.

― Tim F, Tuesday, August 14, 2012 5:41 PM (12 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yeah it's definitely other ppl that are reading too much into that taylor swift line

lol

Whatever, I don't think this is Taylor's contribution to an ILX 'Indie Guilt?' thread.

this talk about Taylor's "indie" line reminds me of the hubbub over "your record collect don't exist/ you don't even know who Liz Phair is"

that was a much better line

^^^

except, even though I agree with Tim re: it feels like a more specific swipe at a particular type of ex than a music listening demographic, I agree with Alfred et al. that it comes off as more forced/calculated a line than funny or charming?

and the Liz Phair line is the example of how to do that self-referential thing properly, in part because it's kind of self-deprecating rather than self-congratulatory

like. the liz phair line is funnier and about how she's fucking a younger dude and judging him for not knowing enough about music but also praising him for being a simple enjoyable uncomplicated fuck but it's also a joke about how she cares about her musical relevance and views herself as an indicator of how well people know music.

the taylor line, even if it's actually just about a boyfriend is kind of a 'he's a smug jerk, and i'm sarcastically mocking him for being a smug jerk." that's it.

plus Liz Phair was actually indie

i like the liz phair line more too, but i remember people frothing at the mouth about it (and that entire album) at the time

before it's all over more swift fans will probably froth at the mouth about her working with max martin than phair phans phrothed about the matrix

well let's wait until the poll in December, hm?