Awesome Audiophile Snake Oil

better pic:

http://www.retrobike.co.uk/forum/files/marantz_cp_230_104.jpg

That's really nice.

unfortunately I traded that in for a suposedly improved Tascam ministudio 4-track cassette that gave you four tracks running the same direction (so only one side of the tape could be used), and all recorded using the DBX compression/expansion technique that gave wow! measured specs with great signal-to-noise ratios and inaudible background noise. But in real use, it subtlely corrupted everything recorded on it, by applying that gawdawful dbx companding algorithm to everything, yielding unnatural sound and weird artifacts - like a singer's voice would suddenly get louder if an instrument came in while she was singing. I'd have rather used Dolby or no NR at all, put up with the limited dynamic range and tape hiss, but had the music intrinsically sound good.

by serendipity i had to look up this company

http://thebuttkicker.com/

seems real-ish but still mighty snake oily imo

I had the idea a few years ago to make lo-techy looking mp3 players, surmising that it was the only effective way to compete with the iPod since no one was ever going to design a cooler looking nu-techy one than Apple.

like a singer's voice would suddenly get louder if an instrument came in while she was singing

AAAHGH this drives me crazy though I feel like I hear it the other way round-- a quiet, steady instrumental accompaniment fluctuating in volume whenever the singer is singing.

The example that comes to mind is one of my favorite songs - 'Triangle Song' by Thin White Rope

Ah, so there's no problem with the Colorfly volume, if you replace the humidor lid before you slip it in your waistcoat

http://www.colorfly.eu/images/PRODUCT_c4.jpg

Wow I kind of love the Colorfly C4. I'm gonna guess... $600 U.S.?

Only $100 more than what I paid for my first iPod...

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$10,000 Gold-Braided Vacuum Tech Laces with special mahogany lace-tips to cut negative vibrations

I sort of love that 70s, next to the drinks cabinet aesthetic

Yes, the "I openly read Playboy" aesthetic

via get bent

http://www.hammacher.com/Product/Default.aspx?sku=11987&promo=Electronics-Media-Accessories&catid=104

SPEEDSNAIL!!! My Accept albums are gonna sound so good coming out of those.

Requires four separate amplifiers per speaker (not included).

hahahahahaha... I love this line so much

only 3 grand for the acoustic immersion pod!

http://digital.hammacher.com/Items/11727/11727_1000x1000.jpg

re: ok, about that very first that very first link on this thread

i mean i will i no way attest to whether or not that very first piece of stupid audio snake oil works, BUT.

as a guy running a p decent home studio in the third world, i can attest that electrical issues absolutely can screw up/degrade the sound of yer stereo signal. i mean, i doubt that outlet thing would make a hell of a difference, but in certain dire electrical situations i could imagine a bit of well placed electrical shielding could help sound quality, perhaps even to the point where you'd actually notice.

please! i'm not defending the usefulness of this particular product per se. but i'm pretty sure some of my (reputable, high end) gear touts it electrical shielding as part of it's awesomeness. and i've def had some gigs, and even studio sessions, all but ruined cause of crappy electrical interference fuckin with our sound

i'm not saying you should rush out and buy that $500 electrical outlet cover, mind. but i wonder what it's made of and if there might be ANY use to it. like, if it was made with a small faraday cage (page?) coated in highly non-conductive ceramic or something?

just a thought. ianaei electronic geeks please feel free to explain why this would be actually be impossible/useless in scientific terms for all of out edification :)

Oh for sure. You just need your equipment isolated or on a real, grounded and isolated circuit. Basically comes down to proper wiring, not audiophile gear. Ground hum is a thing.

xxp wanna buy that pod

Why does it have teeth?

The teeth are sound absorbing foam to prevent echos and reflections caused by the chair and speakers being inside a semi-enclosed pod. Although a better solution would be to, er, not have the chair and speakers in a semi-enclosed pod.

http://the-egg-chair.com/wp-content/uploads/men_in_black_stereo_egg.jpg
in stereo...

I don't think the stuff in this revive qualifies as snake oil. Snake oil is ineffective. The stuff in the revive may be effective. They've just ignored the cost portion of the cost-performance trade-off. The tru-tone duplex covers, however, make no scientific sense. The website says they can provide shielding beyond steel duplex covers. A sheet of steel is pretty conductive. I don't believe that the areas surrounding your wall outlets are the most effective emitters of EM noise in your room anyway.

the "snail" speaker looks ridiculous. but one can give a scientific argument for the design. The active vs. passive crossover argument is odd to me, though. I'd think that a passive filter has much lower noise limits than a circuit with an active device, which is its own source of noise.

There probably exists a group of dudes that becomes excited over the idea of using the most amplifiers ever with their snail speakers, though.

So, uh, this thing called SoundPimp. It doesn't qualify as vanilla snake oil obv, as it very clearly does something audible -- I was just wondering whether greater audiophiles than me have anything to say about it; e.g. whether the idea seems legit or whether it actually does something dubious to the signal for a (claimed) superficially pleasant effect?

The premise, as I understand it, is that the stereo field as heard through earphones is seen as the baseline ideal. However, when using loudspeakers, crosstalk (ie left ear hearing the right channel and right ear hearing the left) confuses the stereo field. This piece of software is supposed to correct for this in some way. (The claim is that it works significantly better the crappier your speakers are. Also, it seems reasonable to assume it works best for recordings aiming to recreate some sort of physical space perhaps.) There's a demo video on the site with samples in normal stereo/treated stereo.

Any thoughts? Anyone used it? Am I gullible for even asking? ;)

Any thoughts?

Heh, disregard last line, it fell beneath the editing horizon.

yeah i dunno, if you had good speakers and a good amp and good placement of your speakers, how is this even an issue?

i bought an "audio enhancer" thing, this box thing from audioquest and it was kind of a ripoff

this is a terrible solution to the bad speaker placement 'problem'

Yeah fair points; I guess it's about when you don't have good stuff & placement, see my mention of crappy speakers. I read about this thing in a Norwegian tech magazine, where the journo claimed to get notable separation even from a tablet-type device...

i dunno, the extreme separation of headphones doesn't really exist in real life anyway

seems like there are a lot of things you could spend money on to make your setup sound better that would be money better spent

my newer amplifier had a little microphone you hook up and then move to the spots in the room where you'd sit and it'd do some adjustments. kind of neat!

damn that's kinda sick, what kind?

marantz receiver, with audyssey algorithms or whatever: http://www.audyssey.com/audio-technology/category

I guess this is the specific page for it. They license it to a handful of receiver manufacturers: http://www.audyssey.com/audio-technology/multeq

oh shit algorithms, that's serious stuff haha

did you feel like it made a difference?

My headphone amp has a crossover switch to GET RID OF the extreme and unnatural separation of headphones and make for a more realistic soundstage. People complain about the extreme stereo separation of Beatles stereo mixes, for example. So this seems like an odd concept to me. But I listen through a nice pair of B&W 685s that are positioned on stands to produce a sweet spot right in the middle of the sofa.

I need to rerun it, but yeah, it did do some neato shit

(I rearranged my furniture, I didn't change the inherent accoustics of my living space. Yet.)

The idea is that instead of one sweet spot in the whole room, it tries to balance at multiple points

The calibration bit is basically it playing different tones, iirc

Oh ok like those test tone records and cds they used to sell?

People complain about the extreme stereo separation of Beatles stereo mixes, for example. So this seems like an odd concept to me.

yah I think the whole conceit about that software I mentioned is that it is for music actually recorded in a room with mics a head's-width apart from each other etc, not for more "engineered" stereo images, as surely much more music is.

http://tomross.com/300px-Dummyhead.jpg

disembodied android microphone head OTM

Nah, more like BEEEEP
or BOOOOP
only pretty fast because it's a robot

It's really just adjusting the EQ per speaker to try to make it consistent as it can, I guess. And it doesn't require you to make judgment calls

It doesn't make too much sense to EQ for a point in the room. If you turn down a frequency band at one point in a room, you turn it down everywhere. So if you EQ to make a point to the side better, you are likely making the 'sweet spot' in the center worse. Perhaps it makes a point to the side much better, while only making the center a little worse. It's just too much, imo.

http://tomross.com/300px-Dummyhead.jpg

was this taken from up one of these guys' asses?

Guess at mh's mic: in addition to general EQ, it might possibly do some phase-delay type majic to cancel out unfortunate/unnatural superpositions in one's current location etc? I dunno; a middle C has a wavelength of well above one metre, so it doesn't sound entirely impossible to do this, but on the other hand, reflections from walls etc must complicate things considerably.

was this taken from up one of these guys' asses?

Nah, that's a not entirely unused recording technique.

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