Creedence Clearwater Revival vs the Grateful Dead vs the Band

John Fogerty wrote most of the big hits when he was toiling in shitty minor league baseball shithole towns in the central valley and midwest, god bless him.

occurred to my on my evening walk that dylan is probably the single person who most deserves credit for bringing that folk- & country-derived sensibility into rock music

Um, I think that sensibility has pretty much been there since the beginning - like Elvis Presley, for instance?

I think he meant aside from Elvis, Roy Orbison, Buddy Holly, and several thousand other singers...

folk/country music has always dealt w/ that kinda thing -- pretty sure the carter family was marketed as "back to that ol' good time mountain music"

John Fogerty wrote most of the big hits when he was toiling in shitty minor league baseball shithole towns in the central valley and midwest, god bless him.

the central valley back then (and huge swathes of the east bay as well, which btw feature(d) plenty of backwoods mountains and marshes/wetlands too) was rural as fuck. Fogerty really did drink Green River etc

Um, I think that sensibility has pretty much been there since the beginning - like Elvis Presley, for instance?

― o. nate, Saturday, August 11, 2012 5:32 PM (3 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

folk/country music has always dealt w/ that kinda thing -- pretty sure the carter family was marketed as "back to that ol' good time mountain music"

― tylerw, Saturday, August 11, 2012 6:02 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

tylerw otm that the sensibility in question has always been a pig part of folk & country music.

lol "pig part"

big part

lol rockist criticisms of ccr

so wait, had fogerty actually experienced true authentic choogle or was theirs a false choogle?

there is only one choogle

One does not simply choogle out of Lodi...

no you manufacture your counterfeit choogle from the safety of El Cerrito

was theirs a false choogle

thanking u

I suppose Fogerty's faux bayou-isms do look pretty silly next to the genuine down home americana of Robertson/Danko/Hudson/Manuel.

Who were all a bunch of Canadians.

Except Levon of course...

I'm astonished that you don't consider Canadians to be genuine Americans. Canada's part of North America, GET IT?

the only genuine americans are from arkansas

do they have a bayou there?

Let's see, El Cerrito CA to Bayou St. John Louisiana = 2270 miles

Toronto to the bayou = 1310 miles

So Robbie Robertson has a legitimate claim to being "born somewhat closer to the bayou".

On the other hand, San Francisco to the mountains of the moon = 238,857 miles. Posers.

Don't forget that Robbie's mother was a Mohawk so he is the most American of all.

no one in the band was named virgil, nor did they go hungry in '65

poseurs

Levon was the most authentic person in any of these bands & garth hudson had the most authentic beard, so everyone vote for the band

One funny thing about Creedence that I just remembered is that I used to always see Cosmos Factory in the used bins and think it was some kind of dodgy compilation or weird italian pressing or something because of the goofy cover. Like my brain couldn't compute that that was the actual cover of their biggest album. I like it now though.

yeah, they should have gone with the original concept

http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj242/donaldparsley/cosmo2.jpg

check out the sex face on this fogerty

Electric Creedenceland

Someone's chooglin' John in that picture.

Someone needs to do a CCR compilation leaving out all the ubiquitous hits everyone knows and all the lousy cover tunes.

Here's a list with no hits, no covers (including bonus tracks, but no live stuff)

Creedence Clearwater Revival
The Working Man
Get Down Woman
Porterville
Gloomy
Walking on the Water
Call it Pretending

Bayou Country
Bootleg
Graveyard Train
Penthouse Pauper
Keep On Chooglin'

Green River
Commotion
Tombstone Shadow
Wrote a Song for Everyone
Cross-Tie Walker
Sinister Purpose
Broken Spoke Shuffle
Glory Be

Willy and the Poor Boys
It Came Out of the Sky
Poorboy Shuffle
Feelin' Blue
Don't Look Now
Side O' The Road
Effigy

Cosmo's Factory
Ramble Tamble

Pendulum
Pagan Baby
Sailor's Lament
Chameleon
(Wish I Could) Hideaway
Born to Move
Hey Tonight
It's Just a Thought
Molina
Rude Awakening #2

Mardi Gras
Lookin' For A Reason
Take It Like a Friend
Need Someone to Hold
Tearin' Up the Country
Someday Never Comes
What Are You Gonna Do
Sail Away
Door to Door
Sweet Hitch-Hiker

The contrast between Cosmo's (all hits & covers) vs Pendulum (no covers and only one hit) is pretty funny.

I really dig Porterville / Call it Pretending. Is the rest of the pre-creedence stuff worth hearing?

Hey Tonight wasn't a hit? Shoulda been. That's one of my favorite short CCR singles.

Oh maybe. It sounds familiar.

Sweet Hitch-Hiker too. (It was a hit, but it's not one of my favorites)

I guess it was included on TV's biggest selling album so who am I to argue?

Regarding the authenticity of Americana between these bands reminds me of the story of Robert Hunter's proudest moment as a lyricist: in the audience at a dead show during cumberland blues, he overheard someone loudly complaining about these rock bands making money off of old Appilacian folk songs.

I had heard that story as Hunter actually taking a trip to Western MD and playing the song for some old men there, one of whom said something to the effect of “that’s a great song, but I can’t imagine what the guy who wrote it must think of a band like the Grateful Dead playing it.”

I'm not a big Deadhead, but I voted Dead vs. Yes and Rush, and my kneejerk reaction was do so here too, simply based on the breadth of their career output, and thinking of CCR mainly in terms of their great run of singles. But wk's list of CCR deep cuts is mindboggling. I love so many of those songs! It got me wondering what sort of similar list-paring could be done for the Dead, as they played so many of their best-known songs to death in concert over the years.

If you went into Deadbase or similar, and tossed out all the covers, plus every song that was played more than x amount of times, you'd be left with a CD-R of "Cream Puff War," "Pride Of Cucamonga," "My Brother Esau" and the like; maybe worth a cursory listen, but no comparison to the CCR one.

Pagan Baby

^^^choogles like a motherfucker

If you went into Deadbase or similar, and tossed out all the covers, plus every song that was played more than x amount of times, you'd be left with a CD-R of "Cream Puff War," "Pride Of Cucamonga," "My Brother Esau" and the like; maybe worth a cursory listen, but no comparison to the CCR one.

That doesn't make any sense though because none of those songs are ubiquitous and inescapable like CCR's hits. The only songs you would maybe have to delete are Truckin', Casey Jones, and Touch of Grey. A similar list of Dead songs minus hits and covers would be ridiculously long. Even if you just did their first seven albums I think it would be a much bigger, better, and more diverse list.

And the Dead's covers are mostly of old traditional songs that aren't necessarily as well known. When I first listened to the Dead albums I didn't think "oh great a lame cover of New New Minglewood Blues-- SKIP" the same way that I did with CCR's covers of really well known pop songs.

I dunno when I hear the Dead butchering Buck Owens I definitely think SKIP

where does that happen?

q for indie nerds, be honest: how many of you knew "walking on the water" from the richard hell & the voidoids cover?

Would like to hear that.

xp

sorry was thinking of Merle Haggard

xp

sorry was thinking of Merle Haggard

where'd they do that?

Walking on the Water makes me thing "hey they sampled London Calling"

altho this claims they did do "Tiger by the Tail", "Sawmill" and "Slewfoot" don't think I ever actually heard those tho. I was thinking of "Mama Tried"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MUgYOGX8XOM