Search and Destroy : New Order

I use ALL2MP3 on my Mac to convert the FLACS to MP3s. Quick and easy.

Man, this era of live New Order is so awesome. I love the seat of your pants-ness of it.

Oh yeah, nearly forgot I'm going to see them tomorrow.

I posted on another thread that they are playing here the same night as the reunited PiL, the reunited Crime and the City Solution, and the reunited Jon Spencer Blues Explosion. Reunion, reunion, reunion, reunion ...

"Liiiife is a Rock! but the radio rolled meeeee"

going nuts for these live shows indeed - the Belgium show sounds kind of manic or urgent which more than makes up for it not sounding quite as sublime as the Barcelona show, which really deserves to be released officially.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wa4JWzEPJe8

kind of surprising to me that people want to see them without Peter Hook. not judging but...why? he's their sound.

I'm honestly torn, personally. He's their sound, but how vital is his presence? Was New Order not New Order all those years minus Gillian?

I don't think Gillian contributed all that much, to be honest. I think the three who were in Joy Division continued that band's work. But Hook's sound - I mean - it is the definitive element of the band. I'm sure Barney & the road techs know enough about his rig to let whoever's sitting in copy it & get a reasonable facsimile, but like...this isn't quite Television minus Tom Verlaine, but it's close.

I totally agree, except that unlike Verlaine - or Lloyd - Hook's sound and playing is very easy to replicate. The man, however, is one of a kind.

I think Gillian contributed more than you assume, that's why she's back!

for some reason I have it in my head that Gillian was instrumental in creating "Fine Time", so I went to Wikipedia to look it up and encountered this:

The US 12" version is unusual in that the pattern of beats in the song produces a noticeable swirl effect in the vinyl. It is clear that the pattern is inherent to "Fine Time" since it does not appear within "Don't Do It" which, unlike "Fine Line", is a completely different song.[citation needed]

lol

She definitely wrote "World" (that's the price of love) at least with SteveM.

I remember Bern being all sarcy "oh this ones got great words innit?" yeah yours are ain't they?

kind of surprising to me that people want to see them without Peter Hook. not judging but...why? he's their sound.

the live shows being discussed itt atm are recordings from the 80s btw

Hooky's chorus'd bass is integral, but I certainly wouldn't say they don't have a 'sound' without it. For example, the first Electronic album is amazing as are certain The Other Two singles. In fact, Hooky's bass on most Monaco records sounds out of place without the rest of them.

Mark G, don't you mean "World in Motion"?

The backing track for the chorus of "World in Motion" bore some similarities to the instrumental theme tune for the DEF II current-affairs show, Reportage,[3] which had been written for the show by Stephen Morris and Gillian Gilbert of New Order. The song was produced by Stephen Hague, who had also produced one of the group's earlier hits, "True Faith".

I actually prefer the 2nd Electronic album, it has their best tune on it imo ("For You") - I just feel like NEW ORDER is a band that has the three surviving members of Joy Division in it or it's really not New Order at all

I got hold of a bootleg of the one New Order show I saw - an appearance on the Power, Corruption and Lies tour (but "Blue Monday" was out by this time) at Billy Barty's Roller Fantasy in Fullerton - pretty eye-opening; my friends and I, who were all of v v pretentiously sure of our opinions, thought it was an OK show, really nothing special. The recording, heard 20 years on, reveals that it was fucking amazing. Unpreserved by any tapers is how the four of us arrived so early at the club that we were able to just walk in while Hook was warming up onstage, at the lip of which we stood while he practiced the "Age of Consent" bassline for some time until finally telling us it was fine if we wanted to hang around but he'd rather we didn't do so directly in front of the stage.

Alfred, "no" in the particular case I meant "World", that's not sayng they didn't do "World in Motion", it was the particular one that Bernard was being 'funny' (mildly) about, like as I say is he reknown for his high-standard of lyrics? No he is not... (I mean, compared to Ian for instance)...

I'm not slagging Bernard off here, it was just a bit bemusing at the time (Reading Festival, before the first 'long rest')

Ah! I'd love to learn more songwriting credits. An interview from '99 said that Morris-Gilbert also wrote the essence of "Touched By the Hand of God."

Writing credits is one of the great mysteries of New Order.

incidentally the live show in Oakland last week was incredible, far far better than they were seven years ago with Hooky. I approve of Tom Chapman New Order.

They were great when I saw them in 2004 or whenever, which also featured Tom Chapman, I think.

uh, no, the first gig with that lineup was October 2011. Hook didn't publicly spit the dummy until 2007

phil cunningham was with them from 2001 on (and still is), that is probably who josh is thinking of.

Yes, that is who I am thinking of. Phil Cunningham, Tom Chapman, who the fuck cares.

akm cares enough to make the original post

you care enough to agree with him

you care enough to fly off the handle when it turns out you don't agree with him

so does Tom Chapman just cop Hook's style completely or does he have some particular aspect he brings to the table

well, he plays a lot like hooky on most things, other things he just isn't as loud or in your face. it didn't really matter though, I got over it very quickly, it was nice having gillian there and the keys had more of a classic NO feel than they did in 2004. they opened with Elegia and played Your Silent Face (with melodica), you can't complain about that.

and, probably most importantly, they seemed to really be enjoying everything they did, unlike when I saw them in 2004 when it seemed strained and they played a bunch of rubbish Sirens Call songs (the newest things they did the other night were Close Range and Crystal). And there were def some arrangement differences; Isolation in particular sounded pretty different, much more like a New Order song now. Love Will Tear Us Apart was played a bit differently too; enough so that when they played it the other night, they sounded like they owned it. In 2004, it sounded like a cover version.

you care enough to fly off the handle when it turns out you don't agree with him

Dude, I didn't and don't fly off the handle. I was just short because I had no time, and was (shortly) making the point that I don't make a distinction between Phil Cunningham and Tom Chapman, as far as replacement members of New Order go. No one is going to the shows for them, and as much of a dick as Hook can be, and as solid as subs as they may be, I can't believe anyone really prefers them to him.

dude Phil Cunningham was not a sub for Hook. you're saying you thought you saw Cunningham replacing Hook when Hook was actually there in front of you, and that it was great. you're the most positive person about replacing him ITT!

all I'm saying is that no-one needs to stay away from this for fear that the band sounds worse. they don't.

I guess I just generally meant I have no problem with New Order enlisting subs as long as it's not Billy Corgan.

I dunno, I like the idea of Billy Corgan doing gigs where he stands at the back and only plays instruments...

The gig they just did in Mexico was great, judging by these audience recordings.

Atmosphere
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YGayLVOFRrg

Bizarre Love Triangle
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UUfTYGYtBmw&feature=related

Blue Monday + Temptation
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ISGXaXxyu88&feature=related

Love Will Tear Us Apart
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VmW1m_9Bh1E&feature=related

That hook book..

He keeps referring to his copy of Cockney Rebel's "Sebastian" aws being a nine-minute single split over two sides as 'part one' and 'part two', but I own a copy as well, it's six mins and has a totally different track on the other side.

I thought 'maybe it's a re-release' or something, but i've used to good old 'ternet, and it DOESN'T EXIST!

The guy behind the recycle blog has closed down his New Order (and the Smiths) files as of Nov 2012.

I managed to capture most of them, but am missing some in the middle...

I've got them all, I could dropbox any you're after.

'Lost Sirens' coming out next week it seems

nate: I shall check which ones, and thanks...

'Lost Sirens' coming out next week it seems

― licorice oratorio (baaderonixx)

It's already out there. It's actually quite good in places, not sure what I was expecting really. There are a few tracks that really should have been on the album, I'll Stay With You in particular should have replaced Jet Stream or I Told You So.

It's pleasantly surprising and a bit dire in equal measure, to my ears. Not sure if I prefer the album version of I Told You So to the one here (which I swear I've heard before, bundled on a promo single).

Californian Grass is my favourite.

The Stuart Price mix of I Told You So was previously released.

I agree with your assessment but not your favorite track. There are 3-4 tracks that I'll add to my WFTSC playlist and the rest will remain with a playcount of 1 along with Rock the Shack.

Which tracks from Lost Sirens would you add to the original album and which would ones would you get rid of? I'll Stay With You, Californian Grass and Hellbent would fit nicely on there for me.

I always hated I Told You So, whoever it compared to Ace of Base meant I could never really take it seriously. Think I prefer the version on Lost Sirens but I'd leave it off my final tracklisting anyway.

Shake it up is probably the worst thing on here, it has a hint of Rock The Shack about it.

The echos on the vocals in Shake It Up totally kill it for me.

it's ok. it's not much worse than the album itself, and some of it is better.

This might be the only band I've loved forever that I firmly wish would just call it a day.

^^^ how I felt about Bowie as of 12:01 a.m. Tuesday.