*as a result of her accident
― a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 11 August 2012 01:43 (eleven years ago) link
Haven't contributed anything to this thread, but, sparked by another thread, an obvious one just occurred to me: the Ramones' End of the Century. It got the lead review in Rolling Stone (something that possibly happened with Rocket to Russia, but I doubt it), it was their highest-charting album, it was a big story because of Spector's involvement, and--though not a bad record--it was nowhere near as good as the previous four, and they would never again return to where they were before the album came out. They would go on to have well reviewed albums again, most noticeably Too Tough to Die, but by then they were playing catch-up.
― clemenza, Saturday, 11 August 2012 02:36 (eleven years ago) link
It wasn't a multiplatinum event album though...
― a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 11 August 2012 02:43 (eleven years ago) link
Yeah, ''End of the Century''s could almost be a category in themselves - albums where, after years of patient hard work, a band finally gets their big break...right as their creative powers flag, or they take on a new direction/sound, anyway it's just straight not as good as everything that came before. The big break doesn't pay off and they're hobbled forever.
Obviously hard to detach this from, you know, their new big label making them change their sound and so on, but...
― Doctor Casino, Saturday, 11 August 2012 02:48 (eleven years ago) link
Okay..."multiplatinum" isn't in the thread title, and believe me, it did qualify as something of an event at the time (hence the lead RS} review), but I'm jumping in after 1,000 posts, so I'm sure I would have picked up on that had I been closely following.
― clemenza, Saturday, 11 August 2012 02:49 (eleven years ago) link
Yeah, now that the poll is out there I feel we can be less rigid here about nj equivalents that didn't chart/sell as well, and ones by cult acts
― Listen to this, dad (President Keyes), Saturday, 11 August 2012 02:52 (eleven years ago) link
Why were we being rigid about it in the first place?
― timellison, Saturday, 11 August 2012 02:54 (eleven years ago) link
We had to honor the jovi
― Listen to this, dad (President Keyes), Saturday, 11 August 2012 02:56 (eleven years ago) link
Belle and Sebastian, THE LIFE PURSUIT
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Saturday, 11 August 2012 03:05 (eleven years ago) link
Now that it's safe to do cult artists again- how about Morrissey? He must have had at least one "New Jersey".
― o. nate, Saturday, 11 August 2012 03:15 (eleven years ago) link
for cult New Jerseys, you can just look at the last in a stretch of pazz'n'jop placements, rather than the last in a stretch of multi-platinum
― da croupier, Saturday, 11 August 2012 03:20 (eleven years ago) link
shame cmj doesn't have a working archive
― da croupier, Saturday, 11 August 2012 03:22 (eleven years ago) link
haha, life pursuit is like the only belle and sebastian album i listen to, maybe i should give new jersey another chance
― Doctor Casino, Saturday, 11 August 2012 03:42 (eleven years ago) link
Bush's Razorblade Suitcase
― slagterm, Saturday, 11 August 2012 03:59 (eleven years ago) link
Lol, yeah, I still don't think making an analogy to the relative legacies of Bon Jovi albums works so great for cult artists.
― EveningStar (Sund4r), Saturday, 11 August 2012 04:21 (eleven years ago) link
"Man, at the 80s prom in my heart, 'Lycanthrope' was totally Thinking Plague's 'Livin' on a Prayer' and 'Love' was their 'Never Say Goodbye'. So disappointing to see them slip into New Jersey territory with In Extremis. I don't see anyone transcribing 'This Weird Wind' 14 years later, eh?"
― EveningStar (Sund4r), Saturday, 11 August 2012 04:24 (eleven years ago) link
Don't know if it's at 3x platinum, but if so, Counting Crows' "Recovering the Satellites" seems to fit the NJ bill. I just looked at the singles, and besides A Long December (a song I actually like), the others I couldn't hum even if you threatened to make me hang out with Adam Duritz for a week.
― alpine static, Saturday, 11 August 2012 07:41 (eleven years ago) link
Wow, that was a lot of activity in a couple days. Was The Cult's Sonic Temple a huge event album?
― Fastnbulbous, Saturday, 11 August 2012 11:36 (eleven years ago) link
That's going to be weird because I could see long time fans thinking of it as a new jersey but for alot of us kids it was the first time they'd heard them as is probably their biggest seller
― Jandek at the Disco (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, 11 August 2012 12:49 (eleven years ago) link
Whether kid or long-time fan I think we can all agree that it's the ultimate in 'you are beyond irony' album covers:
http://www.simplysyndicated.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/sonictemple.jpg
http://www.minilps.net/images/stories/shop_image/product/SONICTEMPBAC.jpg
― Ned Raggett, Saturday, 11 August 2012 12:53 (eleven years ago) link
Haven't listened to this in about 20 years. "Edie (Ciao Baby)" still holds up.
― EveningStar (Sund4r), Saturday, 11 August 2012 13:39 (eleven years ago) link
I'm really trying to puzzle out what the Cult's Slippery When Wet would be if this was their New Jersey btw.
― EveningStar (Sund4r), Saturday, 11 August 2012 13:41 (eleven years ago) link
Whoa, the Tea Party's "Kashmir" rips actually sound more like "Soul Asylum" (the "Kashmir" rip on Sonic Temple, not the band) than "Kashmir" itself.
― EveningStar (Sund4r), Saturday, 11 August 2012 13:48 (eleven years ago) link
Coming straight to this thread from a politics thread, I went "Tea Party".... Kashmir riffs...? and was already constructing a world where this was about some link i didn't see to like, a Conservapedia project to create Tea Party friendly covers of classic rock tunes.
― Doctor Casino, Saturday, 11 August 2012 13:57 (eleven years ago) link
lol
― EveningStar (Sund4r), Saturday, 11 August 2012 14:06 (eleven years ago) link
I'm sure it exists.
― Ned Raggett, Saturday, 11 August 2012 14:50 (eleven years ago) link
Unliberal (Kidz) Bop
― Doctor Casino, Saturday, 11 August 2012 15:00 (eleven years ago) link
The Cult's is Electric, surely? Love was the big crossover that drew them to public attention, and that's the big-selling follow-up - although it would be easy to assert (as I have before) that pretty much every record gets worse since the outset and Love is the start of the plummet into mediocrity.
― passive-aggressive display name (aldo), Saturday, 11 August 2012 20:04 (eleven years ago) link
Yeah, I'm just very unconvinced by the idea that Electric is the album that everyone still loves whereas Sonic Temple is the album that everyone bought but can't remember why.
― EveningStar (Sund4r), Saturday, 11 August 2012 20:21 (eleven years ago) link
Pretty sure "Love Removal Machine" is the only song I ever hear from Electric. (Mostly just hear "Firewoman" from Sonic Temple, "Edie" once in a blue moon.)
― EveningStar (Sund4r), Saturday, 11 August 2012 20:25 (eleven years ago) link
adrenalize was probably the most disappointing album of my youth, it's like the ghostbusters 2 of pop metal.
― omar little, Friday, August 3, 2012 1:19 PM (1 week ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― omar little, Saturday, 11 August 2012 20:48 (eleven years ago) link
Every huge artist has their "Ghostbusters 2" - a huge event followup that immediately feels a lot hollow & signals a river of pink slime
― Doctor Casino, Saturday, 11 August 2012 20:51 (eleven years ago) link
Speakerboxx/love below
― protected by viper. stand back. (D-40), Saturday, 11 August 2012 22:27 (eleven years ago) link
while personally i shake my fist at the idea either album is hollow and almost wonder if it's becoming underrated (still prefer it to stankonia on the whole), i'll admit for a dense double album it wound up low on hits and def signaled that "outkast" had peaked.
― da croupier, Saturday, 11 August 2012 23:07 (eleven years ago) link
I was looking through the CDs at the public library today, and nearly every one we mentioned here was there. Almost checked out "Storm Front"
― Listen to this, dad (President Keyes), Saturday, 11 August 2012 23:10 (eleven years ago) link
Sb/lb should have totally been on the list! D40 otm....oops
― Jandek at the Disco (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, 11 August 2012 23:17 (eleven years ago) link
SB/LB is mainly just weird because it was a double album that "felt" like a single album IMO - - - two HUGE hits and one moderate one, that is not bad performance at all in the grand scheme of things. Plus the single would be less intimidating to casual fans; I think it'd be really really highly regarded if it'd been carved down.
The group was maybe also pretty overexposed at that point, having followed Stankonia's success up with the hits compilation and "The Whole World" - they sort of hadn't been off the radio at any point since "Rosa Parks," y'know?
― Doctor Casino, Saturday, 11 August 2012 23:33 (eleven years ago) link
tbf that's pretty fucking New Jersey
― da croupier, Saturday, 11 August 2012 23:43 (eleven years ago) link
Stakonia for me was the hollow record
― Listen to this, dad (President Keyes), Saturday, 11 August 2012 23:44 (eleven years ago) link
...yeah, now that you mention it. Yeah, it probably counts. Definitely fits in the "not immediately perceived hollowness is harbinger of career decline" - - never would have guessed when "Hey Ya!" dropped that their next album would be basically forgotten by history.
― Doctor Casino, Saturday, 11 August 2012 23:50 (eleven years ago) link
no one mentioned it during the 3 days before the poll went up so my conscience is clear, oddly enough i might have voted for it.
― da croupier, Saturday, 11 August 2012 23:52 (eleven years ago) link
also i love that album so it would never have made my "what was THAT bout?" radar indepedently
― da croupier, Saturday, 11 August 2012 23:53 (eleven years ago) link
― Listen to this, dad (President Keyes), Saturday, August 11, 2012 6:44 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
that record was their biggest crossover yet. a lot of fans didnt like it as much as the two previous (i prefer aquemini) but stankonia was definitely a breaching-the-mainstream moment for them so hollow or not (i dont think it is but w/e) it's still not an NJ imo
― protected by viper. stand back. (D-40), Sunday, 12 August 2012 09:29 (eleven years ago) link
oh yeah, SL/LB is a better NJ. Crazy how much of a big deal people thought it was at the time, and how quickly it was turned on.
― Listen to this, dad (President Keyes), Sunday, 12 August 2012 10:30 (eleven years ago) link
SB/LB obv
A couple years ago I saw The Cult play Love in its entirety, and I was thinking I'd rather have heard Electric. And sure enough when they played a couple songs in the end, people really responded. It was the album that really broke in the U.S. Yeah it's an AC/DC tribute album curated by Rubin, but it's great! Just as cheesy as Love's Zeppelin worship, but without the gothy pretension! They played a few from the subsequent albums, and I got bored and left.
― Fastnbulbous, Sunday, 12 August 2012 14:42 (eleven years ago) link
Singles from the three albums seems to do about equally well on iTunes, with "Fire Woman" from Sonic Temple at #1: http://itunes.apple.com/us/artist/the-cult/id150548
― EveningStar (Sund4r), Sunday, 12 August 2012 17:48 (eleven years ago) link
Microserfs was totally my favourite Coupland book when I was in high school but it's also the lightest and most conventional in narrative. I'm not sure if I'd prefer it to Generation X if I read them now.
― EveningStar (Sund4r), Sunday, 12 August 2012 20:12 (eleven years ago) link
what about jay-z's? blueprint 2, black album and kingdom come all feel like they count for a variety of reasons
― max, Tuesday, August 7, 2012 3:22 PM (5 days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
No Code was too big a dropoff in sales (and Vitalogy doesn't count because its hits had staying power), so i don't think Pearl Jam has one.
if Jay-Z has one it's Kingdom Come or American Gangster, but post-retirement thing makes that fit weird
― some dude, Tuesday, August 7, 2012 3:25 PM (5 days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
everything that came after the blueprint is one epic new jersey
― protected by viper. stand back. (D-40), Monday, 13 August 2012 02:16 (eleven years ago) link
Van Jaygar, IMO
― Doctor Casino, Monday, 13 August 2012 02:46 (eleven years ago) link