Ween vs. Primus vs. Phish

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They were doing it when I saw Phish back in '89, so I'm guessing yes.

Ween songs I like = Spirit of 76, Push Th Lil Daisies
Primus songs I like = Fisticuffs

Never liked anything Ive heard from Phish. They did a passable cover of 'Gold Sound' though

I've also never heard a Thin Lizzy record despite tons of seeming to love them and telling me I need to. I guess based on the three songs I have heard I don't get what differentiates them from hordes of other 70s classic rock staples - not this is bad, just nothing I've sought out.

Ween live in 1997 was one my favorite shows ever; the first Phish show I saw was at a small theater in 93 and was great but the next three were in progressively bigger venues and got worse every time, partly due to being surrounded by more and more Phish fans.

That said if they happened to play near me this past summer I totally would have gone, fuck the haters.

phuck the haters, you mean

I don't get what differentiates them from hordes of other 70s classic rock staples

there are at least a handful of really obvious surface-level things

If any of these bands resemble the Zappaesque dilemma of amazing musicianship vs. shut the hell up, it's probably Primus, isn't it?

yeah pretty much. "i woodshedded for 8 years straight to play this passage, now listen to me recite a dirty limerick over it"

les claypool and trey ananstasio had that weird band for a minute

That was Oysterhead, with Stewart Copeland! I liked that disc quite a bit, mostly because you get to hear Copeland playing in a rock band again.

can you imagine how lopsided this poll would be if it was The Police instead of Ween. if it was The Police AND Ween, however, i don't trust you bastards not to do the unthinkable.

there are at least a handful of really obvious surface-level things

I realize that they are an Irish band fronted by a black guy which makes them obviously different from, say, Skynrd, but musically what am I missing that makes Jailbreak or The Boys Are Back In Town that much different from all the Seger / BTO / BOC / REO / Aerosmith / Eagles stuff that I heard on the same stations growing up? Enough that a number of different people have passionately talked to me about them being great, people who wouldn't do the same for any of the other bands I listed?

This has inspired me to finally listen to a Thin Lizzy record - which one?

Jailbreak

touch of Van Morrison from this early cut.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H2nuqdnbxYs

There is nothing wrong with starting with Jailbreak. I honestly haven't heard any BTO or REO albums, but would listen if there was a good one with great deep cuts. Thin Lizzy isn't as inscrutable as BOC. Not as blooooooz as Aerosmith, but way bluesier than the Eagles. Good songwriting. Closest comparison I could think of would be Bruce Springsteen if he wasn't so damn "hey everybody look at me!"

FIGHTING ftw

i am bummed beyond belief at all the bands Lizzy's being lumped in with

the fucking EAGLES? Reo Speedwagon?

flaming acres of firey pubes itt

Listen to all of them from Nightlife to Black Rose, including Live And Dangerous. And as HOTS said these comparisons don't do them justice.

Those comparisons make sense if you've only heard the singles. All the TL albums I've heard have been pretty enjoyable and I think most people are surprised by how good they turned out to be.

can we make this a Thin Lizzy poll instead?

thin lizzy's great but christ they were a '70s rock staple and fit right in. a good one, with some Van Morrisony flourishes, but going "argh how you can you compare them to bob seger"?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kslHr7_9Zac

EZ and I had a fun evening of schooling each other in the Outloud room a few months ago -- he played Thin Lizzy for me and I played Zappa for him.

i am bummed beyond belief at all the bands Lizzy's being lumped in with

the fucking EAGLES? Reo Speedwagon?

flaming acres of firey pubes itt

― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, August 8, 2012 5:19 PM (9 minutes ago) Bookmark

flaming acres of firey pubes had a couple good albums produced by zappa before they went full-on country rock iirc

xxpost da croupier I didn't say Bob Seger. I get that. I said Eagles/Speedwagon.

lol some dude

some pube

^^^^^^ a flaming acres bootleg that took on LISTEN TO THIS BRAD-level legendary status

Live and Dangerous is the one TL I've got. it's great.

i'm not sure how thin lizzy entered this thread but i enjoy ween's TL tribute
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EFbTbSsb6f0

musically what am I missing that makes Jailbreak or The Boys Are Back In Town that much different from all the Seger / BTO / BOC / REO / Aerosmith / Eagles stuff that I heard on the same stations growing up? Enough that a number of different people have passionately talked to me about them being great, people who wouldn't do the same for any of the other bands I listed?

― joygoat, Wednesday, August 8, 2012 2:06 PM (45 minutes ago)

thing is, that's a pretty varied bunch of bands. sure, thin lizzy were heavy 70s rockers, so they fit in pretty comfortably with others of that general ilk, but that isn't a good or bad thing in itself. they've got their own distinct personality and points of appeal (fine musicianship, memorable tunes, evocative lyrics and vocals). same goes for BOC and aerosmith, afaic, though you can have the rest.

first place i'd start with Thin Lizzy is Live at the High Voltage Festival 2011

but yeah on the real Lizzy is very unique because they were so multi-faceted and blessed with Lynott's voice, how many bands can recall Van Morrison or Springsteen at points and sound like proto-Iron Maiden at points? they straddle the line between metal and hard rock and just rock 'n roll and soul in a unique way....like for example, i'm listening to Live and Dangerous and they just went from a totally swinging stroll through the basically soul song "Dancing the Moonlight" with and extended sax solo from some dude in Graham fucking Parkers' band of all things, then the nexts thing is Massacre which sounds like the roots of NWOBHM

damn, that sounds almost as good as Ween

>:(

WheatusVEVO is killing btw

Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.

too many phish votes imo

anyway can I just say that, as a Ween fan who is intimately familiar with the oeuvre of Thin Lizzy...

this is a silly thread.

i bet u voted for phish

:)

And for the other 7 of you who voted Phish, don't forget to mosey on over to live phish where they've been giving away these "Live Bait" samplers of great performances from past tours. Because they've been selectively assembled, you aren't stuck worry about whether a show is going to be consistently good or whether Trey smoked crack before the second set.

congrats to Tenacious D on winning the poll

wow. I can't listen to this stuff. I think last year when I had that phish-revival, well maybe that was a "once-a-decade" kinda thing. yeee-ouch.