Ween vs. Primus vs. Phish

truly blunted rhyme fiend (J0rdan S.) wrote this on thread letz talk abt shawty mane on board I Love Music on Oct 15, 2010

there needs to be a code written into ilx that bans whiney for three days anytime he submits a message that's a parody of someone in all caps

ha the biggest ween fan i can think of off the top of my head plays in an elo cover band so yeah some of them are

― O_o-O_O-o_O (jjjusten), Wednesday, August 8, 2012 11:02 AM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

ha ELno?

I don't even get why ween would be appealing if you weren't pretty well versed in a lot of old music

lots of '90s lol pastiche masters like Beck and They Might Be Giants were popular with '80s babies that knew next to nothing about a lot of the pre-grunge source material

haha m@tt w/the hometown advantage. yep. xpost

i heard they were pretty fun

I never cared much about Ween until a friend played that song "Object" for me. It's quite brilliant.

I still don't own any of their records. There's no doubt that their best moments are in a humorous vein ie "Piss Up a Rope."

As for Primus, I do still pull out my old Frizzle Fry vinyl about once a year. It holds up, but sounded a lot more alien upon release.

They Might Be Giants would have swept this poll for me, even though I also haven't bought one of their albums since about 1990.

Dream Theater is a good call but honestly another huge gap in my knowledge... for good reason I suppose.

i kinda wonder if there are any Ween fans that are really well versed in all the '70s-era stuff they pastiche

uhh yes a lot of them in fact, I don't think you can really appreciate all that they do if you're not

there needs to be a code written into ilx that bans whiney for three days anytime he submits a message that's a parody of someone in all caps

hey whiney was defending your right to say nonsense about ween being a better band than thin lizzy afaict

yeah i guess. it's somewhat true of the biggest Ween fan i knew in college to, but there are definitely a lot that are, like, SO impressed at how well they play the old country/soul/classic rock they never listen to.

― some dude, Wednesday, August 8, 2012 12:05 PM (16 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yeah i have observed that there is a certain type of music fan that equates "talent" with "being able to play in the style of different genres" and it is just so weirdly off-base to me.

Frizzle Fry and Suck On This are enough to make Primus worthwhile in my book. Some of their poppier stuff that followed is fun too, but didn't seem so seismically weird and life changing as those first two.

uhh yes a lot of them in fact, I don't think you can really appreciate all that they do if you're not

― frogbs, Wednesday, August 8, 2012 9:19 AM (2 seconds ago)

you can't talk that bullshit about thin lizzy and still expect anyone to respect whatever else you have to say on the subject

well tbf if i saw a dude flip from clawhammer fingerstyle to death metal shred riffs i would be impressed. it does take a certain kind of musical talent to pull that stuff off. xposts

yeah i am down w/the first 3 primus albums but it goes a little poorly from there. and the first 5 ween albums. my iinitial exposure to phish really was a dude in college playing me a 40 minute version of "bouncing round the room" that he had taped live at the college music venue and i was just not able to get high enough to manage it so i never volunteered again.

ween has a sense of craft and melody that the other two lack. i find it hard to imagine either of those two bands making an album as tight and satisfying as the mollusk (or white pepper.)

also, from my experience, ween fans are exactly the kinds of dudes who unabashedly love the 70s prog that the mollusk and quebec imitated.

don't even get why ween would be appealing if you weren't pretty well versed in a lot of old music

― iatee, Wednesday, August 8, 2012 4:09 PM (11 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

When I listened to Ween, I was way under-versed in their source material. As a teen in the 90s, I didn't know a thing about glam but I still rocked out to Captain Fantasy. I didn't get the joke either, actually. Thought they were just "wacky" guys who wrote good riffs.

you can't talk that bullshit about thin lizzy and still expect anyone to respect whatever else you have to say on the subject

this isn't my opinion. this is like, every Ween fan I've ever met.

Enough reason to dismiss Ween right there.

why?

because they are loved by those who would be culled

As a teen in the 90s, I didn't know a thing about glam but I still rocked out to Captain Fantasy. I didn't get the joke either, actually. Thought they were just "wacky" guys who wrote good riffs.

― spanky hotel frogstrot (how's life), Wednesday, August 8, 2012 9:38 AM (5 minutes ago)

that's perfectly OK, imo. it's a great song, and you don't need to be versed in its reference points to get that. true of a lot of ween's best shit, imo.

doesn't change the fact that implying that Ween fans have no idea about 70's music is moronic as hell

i was being charitable. if they know that stuff and would still rather listen to Ween, that's a bigger problem.

Doesn't change the fact that Ween fans are too besotted to understand Thin Lizzy shit on them from a great height.

i was being charitable. if they know that stuff and would still rather listen to Ween, that's a bigger problem.

― some dude, Wednesday, August 8, 2012 9:53 AM (44 seconds ago)

aw, its just some ween. you don't have to get all bill magill about it.

lol at the idea that listening to ween and thin lizzy are mutually exclusive experiences. they're both great bands!

exactly, they're both good, I just think statements like this are just dumb on their face

if they know that stuff and would still rather listen to Ween, that's a bigger problem.

as though all Ween does is produce second-rate imitations of bands greater than themselves.

thinking they're better at Lizzy than Lizzy is what you said, and what people have a problem with.

frogbs making me sad I voted for Ween

That's obviously a bit of hyperbole but when I hear "Gabrielle" I can't help thinking that, I play it more than any individual song by Lizzy, no need for people to get butthurt over that

also lol @ EZ's suggestion that Ween fans just don't "get" Thin Lizzy, get the hell out with that moronic shit

If you originally voted sometime before the poll closing reminder last night, you should be able to vote again, at least balancing things out in favor of one of the other bands. Such are the holes in the ilx poll function.

xxp

nah the other two bands are horrible

frogbs making me sad I voted for Ween

then you should probably delete your ilx account and create a new one, vote for a different band, then immediately delete your new account

Never said they don't "get" Thin Lizzy. Said the love of Ween fucks up their view of Lizzy's greatness in comparison.

Only moronic shit here is you saying Ween does Lizzy better than Lizzy did.

lol i love when i can totally ruin what was a shitty thread to begin with

well done!

Though why I care to argue about Ween is beyond me. That kind of day I guess.

Doesn't change the fact that Ween fans are too besotted to understand Thin Lizzy

either way, I doubt I'd like Thin Lizzy more if I hadn't heard of Ween, that's kind of an odd thing to say

I think it's cause you secretly realize they are better than thin lizzy and that fact kills you inside xp

I own one album apiece by Thin Lizzy and Ween and they are both good, but Ween does not "do" Thin Lizzy better than Thin Lizzy.

that's like saying the Dukes of Stratosphear are better than the Beatles

yeah that was a pretty stupid thing to say tbf

nice truncation to change what I wrote:

Doesn't change the fact that Ween fans are too besotted to understand Thin Lizzy shit on them from a great height.

The whole statement means something different.

Done arguing with someone who can't read.

everyone knows the dukes of stratopshear are better than the beatles

lol

I am voting for Ween because Primus are fine but they're only fun when you're in the right mood and sometimes they just straight annoy the fuck out of me, and Phish just needs to go away ugh ugh ugh.

FYI frogbs yr defense of ween is noted, and like, yay ween I'm totally with you but MAY THE GHOST OF PHIL LYNOTT SET YOUR PUBES ON FIRE FOR BESMIRCHING THIN LIZZY'S AWESOMENESS

lol

ween really are masters of other people's styles, though. that sounds like a backhanded compliment, but it's a pretty remarkable skill. "gabrielle" may not beat thin lizzy at their own game, but it's both a dead ringer and a good song in its own right. same goes for "it's gonna be a long night", their motorhead pastiche.