Nominations for an 80s Albums That Rock Poll(inc indie/Alt,punk,metal,heavy/glam etc) CLOSES SUNDAY NIGHT 11:59 p.m. UK

who cares about other polls. It means less doubles being posted.

everybody knows how to open the whole thread and ctrl f dude

i cant believe someone actually counted how many times it had been posted. Of all the things on ilx to complain about too, lol.

SPK - Auto-Da-Fe

i cant believe someone actually counted how many times it had been posted. Of all the things on ilx to complain about too, lol.

― Algerian Goalkeeper, Wednesday, August 8, 2012 10:31 AM (49 minutes ago) Bookmark

it's like half the thread if you scroll through it. kind of hard not to notice or be bugged by!

has anyone got an updated list of nominations?

missed the 2:30 but I think there's another at 3:05

Guess Papers - We Got 'Em

I'm sure there's a lot of albums that will be missed if not nominated so please keep nominating!

Nominating could end suddenly and voting begin so don't leave it too late

do you have a date for the end of noms?

not yet but they dont usually go on for more than 2 weeks.

Public Image Ltd - The Flowers of Romance
Sonic Youth - Daydream Nation

they're already nomed

If only there was some kind of up-to-date list by which one could cross reference nomination ideas.

he gets it finally

I'm album nommed out. I seriously can't think of anything more. This has led me to want to do my own poll though -- "TOP 100 HC/Post-HC/Thrash/Grind bands albums released made ON/AFTER 1990 but before 2000" - I couldn't nominate a bunch of bands that, like formed in 1982 but didn't release a proper album of any kind until the 90s...

Jim Carroll Band - Catholic Boy
Plasmatics - Beyond the Valley of 1984

good call on catholic boy, cock. i nominated "people who died" in the tracks poll, but didn't think to sub the album over here. so great.

The Left - Hell It's the Earth
Rudimentary Peni - Death Church

Are these considered EPs? 'Cause they rock harder than the LPs:

Replacements - Stink
Naked Raygun - Basement Screams

Also Suicidal Tendencies should be s/t not "Institutionalized" I think.

Couch Potatoes - Curiosity Rocks
Big Boys/Dicks - Recorded Live at Raul's Club
Icons of Filth - Onward Christian Soldiers
Appliances-SFB - SFB
Condemned to Death - Diary of a Love Monster
The Crucifucks - s/t
Descendents - I Don't Want to Grow Up

Whoops, sorry, just saw your note about EPs as mini-albums, cool.

http://open.spotify.com/user/thomas303/playlist/66Zqss2Vnx1vfDsdG58Mjj

half a spotify playlist will prob do the rest on monday morning

I thought I was nommed out but then I see glaring omissions like this

Rudimentary Peni - Death Church

maybe if we bold it AG will notice? "Suicidal Tendencies - Institutionalized" should be "Suicidal Tendencies - S/T

^ yeah, was gonna say, this correction was suggested several days back

i fixed it on the SS days ago. Was waiting for more noms before reposting the list.

only about 400 or less albums nommed so I think more people need to be nudged to nominate otherwise they will be the ones complaining that such and such wasnt nominated.

So please nominate more albums so we can start the voting as soon as possible once we can.

i thought timellison, having been so keen on whats not allowed in the poll, would be nominating albums that are allowed.

I can't help but look at the list of albums and think that this particular grouping of rock subgenres, which feels arbitrary to me, is supposed to represent SOMETHING. That there's some commonality and some reason why they're being considered together. Maybe it doesn't, in which case there would be no reason to be irked by it, but you haven't explained it.

if you put aside the hair metal and some of the college/indie rock, you have a fairly coherent list of 80s underground metal/punk/postpunk, with a smattering of hip-hop and speed/death metal (ie all things aggro in the 80s minus, say, power electronics). the irony is that the inclusion of hair metal and college/indie rock opens the door to voters harboring pop sensibilities while also making the list slightly more confusing to same, but w/e. you could also say that the list essentially squares with Carducci's Rock and the Pop Narcotic, but includes music made with drum machines (Big Black, Ministry, etc.). maybe "post-genre rock" is most accurate.

im surprised noone tried to get power electronics in tbh

maybe noone thinks it rocks

nope

the irony is that the inclusion of hair metal and college/indie rock opens the door to voters harboring pop sensibilities while also making the list slightly more confusing to same, but w/e.

That's not the only door I see opened, though. I also see Ut's Conviction and This Heat and that first Royal Trux record and Ice Cream for Crow. This makes me wonder if nominating the Residents would be permissible.

Dream Syndicate and Thin White Rope are also interesting inclusions. They're no more rock than plenty of rock that "harbors pop sensibilities," but if you're explicit about pop sensibilities, then you're out. If you're not as explicit about it, like the Pixies, then you're in.

they allowed Killing Time so everything is possible. i say let's bring more avant rock to the list.

yeah, the this heat nomination seems almost comically inappropriate. a couple of tracks that approach something like post-punk "rock", but most of it is fairly low-key abstract noise.

it can be removed if enough onject

That's not the only door I see opened, though. I also see Ut's Conviction and This Heat and that first Royal Trux record and Ice Cream for Crow. This makes me wonder if nominating the Residents would be permissible.

yeah, well the track list has "Sister Christian" by Night Ranger, so I imagine Algerian will at some point have to make a number of judgement calls. the bands you mention, though, are IMO definitely borderline, but they all (I think, and I could be wrong) make music from within a rockist, small-band structure (even if they don't rock particularly hard), whereas the Residents are really more of a studio-project group (although if their music actually rocked, they could conceivably be included). Personally, I would veto the Residents, but I obviously can't speak for Algerian.

Dream Syndicate and Thin White Rope are also interesting inclusions. They're no more rock than plenty of rock that "harbors pop sensibilities," but if you're explicit about pop sensibilities, then you're out. If you're not as explicit about it, like the Pixies, then you're in.

― timellison, Saturday, August 11, 2012 11:22 AM (12 minutes ago)

yeah, but they're sort of essentialist rock, like rock music stripped of everything but that. blues based, with a clear debt both to early rock and punk, especially television. not hard rock, exactly (though live thin white rope definitely went that way), but making few concessions to pop.

i considered nominated both, but decided against it, because my conception of what "rocks" cleaves pretty close to the chuck berry/jerry lee lewis --> star club beatles/sonics --> ramones/dolls --> motorhead/maiden --> white stripes/QOTSA lineage.

uh, "i considered nominating both..."

it can be removed if enough onject

― Algerian Goalkeeper, Saturday, August 11, 2012 11:38 AM (10 minutes ago)

i don't object to the inclusion of this heat. just saying they're a weird outlier here. and everywhere.

let's try these

Snakefinger - Greener Postures
Zoogz Rift - Amputees in Limbo
Robert Fripp - The League of Gentlemen

yeah, but they're sort of essentialist rock, like rock music stripped of everything but that. blues based, with a clear debt both to early rock and punk, especially television. not hard rock, exactly (though live thin white rope definitely went that way), but making few concessions to pop.

If I "strip rock music of everything but that," I also get Buddy Holly and Fats Domino and the Everly Brothers. And doo wop.

IMO definitely borderline

^^^

sounds like something Nixon would say.

If I "strip rock music of everything but that," I also get Buddy Holly and Fats Domino and the Everly Brothers. And doo wop.

true, but i was thinking specifically about what "rock music" had become by the mid 80s in the american rock-fan culture from which both bands arose. it wasn't rock and roll (that's the "early rock" i mentioned), and it wasn't punk, but it could easily include both. pop appeal was certainly allowed, but it was looked somewhat askance at, especially if the music in question didn't actually rock pretty damn hard.

the everly brothers wouldn't be in the venn circle simply because they didn't rock hard enough, historical context be damned. same goes for a lot of doo-wop. 70s heaviness and punk had changed rock, both sonically and conceptually, by the time these bands came up.

i was thinking specifically about what "rock music" had become by the mid 80s in the american rock-fan culture from which both bands arose. it wasn't rock and roll (that's the "early rock" i mentioned), and it wasn't punk, but it could easily include both. pop appeal was certainly allowed, but it was looked somewhat askance at

Yeah, I'd imagine that for every example of that (like Carducci maybe), there's a counter-example (like his local contemporary D. Boon putting out a single by the Salvation Army).

Or consider "Sea and Sky" from the second SWA record, if you've ever heard that. Zoogz Rift did Freddie and the Dreamers and Elvis Costello covers.

Here's another example - how are Slovenly more "essentialist rock" than the Feelies?