Every huge artist has their "New Jersey" - a huge event album that ultimately feels a bit hollow & signals a career decline

Presence definitely seems like a right answer: IIRC it went #1 on the strength of advance orders but despite the ILM love, when's the last time you heard "Candy Store Rock" or "Tea for One" (as opposed to "Kashmir" or even "Trampled Underfoot")? And then came that goofy pop record.

xposts!

right but it didn't signal a career decline, unless you mean "John Bonham choked on his own vomit soon after"

xp The concept being discussed in this here thread

I mean even if Aladdin Sane weren't good (which it is), the idea of an "event album" is one I associate with the 80s onwards. Bowie moved so fast from record to record, and didn't sell a huge amount, in the 70s that you don't get a hard-to-follow commercial high until Let's Dance.

right but it didn't signal a career decline, unless you mean "John Bonham choked on his own vomit soon after"

I do see In Through the Out Door as a decline but, yeah, their career as a band ended after one more album so fair point.

Boston - Don't Look Back?

i feel like i get this but i still dont know

what is pearl jam's new jersey? no code?

what about jay-z's? blueprint 2, black album and kingdom come all feel like they count for a variety of reasons

No Code was too big a dropoff in sales (and Vitalogy doesn't count because its hits had staying power), so i don't think Pearl Jam has one.

if Jay-Z has one it's Kingdom Come or American Gangster, but post-retirement thing makes that fit weird

if PJ has one it's probably No Code, but i feel like they pulled a Sting and managed to shift into emeritus status without a real "why do I own this?" moment - admittedly in part because few bought it.

bet No Code might have been a new jersey if the first single was "hail, hail" instead of "who you are"

Can we say Nickelback has had a New Jersey yet? Maybe Dark Horse?

yeah Dark Horse definitely

btw I've been listening to All For You this weekend and WAU @ "Son of a Gun", I used to go to BAT for this song and I have no fucking idea why

lol

Somebody said Genesis' We Can't Dance upthread and that's otm

MANIC PIXIE DREAM ALBUM THE THREAD

what?

more like "manic pixie dream troll"

yeah i retract alladin sane, good points

MANIC PIXIE DREAM ALBUM THE THREAD

― MUBU gai pan (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, August 7, 2012 3:37 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

huh?

The 257th in the Pearl Jam bootleg series totally qualifies here

haha

waht is springsteens new jersey

The River

Human Touch/Lucky Town was mentioned upthread and definitely fits

not sure Springsteen fits in this category. Human Touch-Lucky Town flopped and didn't produce any big singles either. He spent the rest of the nineties after "Streets of Philadelphia" going purposefully low key.

Nobody ever rated or bought those two records.

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As Alfred said he doesn't really fit, though you rarely hear the singles from Tunnel Of Love anymore. But people still rate it highly.

I suppose we can debate how much his going low key dependend on a shrewd study of sales trends and market forces.

hey um can someone explain what whiney meant w/that post? even google doesn't come up with "manic pixie dream album"...there is some band called 1976 that had an album call manic pixie dream girl, then some articles about zooey deschnel?

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i think tunnel of love is too much of a purposeful stylistic shift to be a new jersey

Tom Petty-Wildflowers

Several hits, but only one with true staying power. And She's The One was the follow-up.

hey um can someone explain what whiney meant w/that post?

I don't think anyone actually cares enough to decipher, tbh

Wildflowers sounds like a perfect fit but it IS widely loved (even by Petty himself).

Beastie Boys' To The 5 Boroughs?

xpost: i just assumed he's making fun of people who like the pixies. so yay for him.

"manic pixie dream girl" is a movie character archetype, coined by whiney's wu tang/simpsons stan bizarro world av club equivalent nathan rabin, which people forever argue over the definition and appropriate examples of.

I don't think there was any expectation that "Boroughs" would be huge by the time that came out.

lol xp

the only beasties that would even be close is Ill Communication, but i don't really think so

"manic pixie dream girl" is a movie character archetype, coined by whiney's wu tang/simpsons stan bizarro world av club equivalent nathan rabin, which people forever argue over the definition and appropriate examples of.

― some dude, Tuesday, August 7, 2012 4:00 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

ok so he doesn't like this thread or something?

apparently

hey whiney sorry you don't like this thread also have you considered the possibility that you've disappeared up your own butt?

manic pixie dream ilx

manic pixie dream journalism career

Is manic pixie dream really circling the drain?

Getting butthurt about a thread like this on a place like ILM is kind of a "New Jersey" if you think about it

or maybe a "Neither Fish Nor Flesh"

okay I was going to complain about everyone turning this into a thread about Whiney but ^^^ lol

http://forgifs.com/gallery/d/203755-1/Water-car-jerk-superhero.gif

Has anyone mentioned 'Be Here Now' yet?

aaanyway

Helmet's New Jersey is Betty, happy now?