yeah it's one of his best
― the late great, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 20:15 (twelve years ago) link
I'm not sure the concept works before the 80s tbh
― Get wolves (DL), Tuesday, 7 August 2012 20:15 (twelve years ago) link
"jean genie", "panic in detroit", etc
what concept?
― the late great, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 20:16 (twelve years ago) link
Presence definitely seems like a right answer: IIRC it went #1 on the strength of advance orders but despite the ILM love, when's the last time you heard "Candy Store Rock" or "Tea for One" (as opposed to "Kashmir" or even "Trampled Underfoot")? And then came that goofy pop record.
xposts!
― EveningStar (Sund4r), Tuesday, 7 August 2012 20:17 (twelve years ago) link
right but it didn't signal a career decline, unless you mean "John Bonham choked on his own vomit soon after"
― a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 7 August 2012 20:17 (twelve years ago) link
xp The concept being discussed in this here thread
― Get wolves (DL), Tuesday, 7 August 2012 20:18 (twelve years ago) link
I mean even if Aladdin Sane weren't good (which it is), the idea of an "event album" is one I associate with the 80s onwards. Bowie moved so fast from record to record, and didn't sell a huge amount, in the 70s that you don't get a hard-to-follow commercial high until Let's Dance.
― Get wolves (DL), Tuesday, 7 August 2012 20:19 (twelve years ago) link
I do see In Through the Out Door as a decline but, yeah, their career as a band ended after one more album so fair point.
― EveningStar (Sund4r), Tuesday, 7 August 2012 20:20 (twelve years ago) link
Boston - Don't Look Back?
― EveningStar (Sund4r), Tuesday, 7 August 2012 20:22 (twelve years ago) link
i feel like i get this but i still dont know
what is pearl jam's new jersey? no code?
what about jay-z's? blueprint 2, black album and kingdom come all feel like they count for a variety of reasons
― max, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 20:22 (twelve years ago) link
No Code was too big a dropoff in sales (and Vitalogy doesn't count because its hits had staying power), so i don't think Pearl Jam has one.
if Jay-Z has one it's Kingdom Come or American Gangster, but post-retirement thing makes that fit weird
― some dude, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 20:25 (twelve years ago) link
if PJ has one it's probably No Code, but i feel like they pulled a Sting and managed to shift into emeritus status without a real "why do I own this?" moment - admittedly in part because few bought it.
― da croupier, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 20:26 (twelve years ago) link
bet No Code might have been a new jersey if the first single was "hail, hail" instead of "who you are"
― da croupier, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 20:29 (twelve years ago) link
Can we say Nickelback has had a New Jersey yet? Maybe Dark Horse?
― keeping things contextual (DJP), Tuesday, 7 August 2012 20:34 (twelve years ago) link
yeah Dark Horse definitely
― some dude, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 20:34 (twelve years ago) link
btw I've been listening to All For You this weekend and WAU @ "Son of a Gun", I used to go to BAT for this song and I have no fucking idea why
lol
― some dude, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 20:36 (twelve years ago) link
Somebody said Genesis' We Can't Dance upthread and that's otm
― a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 7 August 2012 20:37 (twelve years ago) link
MANIC PIXIE DREAM ALBUM THE THREAD
― MUBU gai pan (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 7 August 2012 20:37 (twelve years ago) link
what?
― thomp, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 20:37 (twelve years ago) link
more like "manic pixie dream troll"
― da croupier, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 20:38 (twelve years ago) link
yeah i retract alladin sane, good points
― Elrond Hubbard (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 7 August 2012 20:40 (twelve years ago) link
― MUBU gai pan (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, August 7, 2012 3:37 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
huh?
― Elrond Hubbard (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 7 August 2012 20:41 (twelve years ago) link
The 257th in the Pearl Jam bootleg series totally qualifies here
― Ismael Klata, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 20:41 (twelve years ago) link
haha
― a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 7 August 2012 20:43 (twelve years ago) link
waht is springsteens new jersey
― thomp, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 20:44 (twelve years ago) link
The River
― EZ Snappin, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 20:49 (twelve years ago) link
Human Touch/Lucky Town was mentioned upthread and definitely fits
― some dude, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 20:49 (twelve years ago) link
not sure Springsteen fits in this category. Human Touch-Lucky Town flopped and didn't produce any big singles either. He spent the rest of the nineties after "Streets of Philadelphia" going purposefully low key.
― a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 7 August 2012 20:50 (twelve years ago) link
Nobody ever rated or bought those two records.
xpost
As Alfred said he doesn't really fit, though you rarely hear the singles from Tunnel Of Love anymore. But people still rate it highly.
― EZ Snappin, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 20:52 (twelve years ago) link
I suppose we can debate how much his going low key dependend on a shrewd study of sales trends and market forces.
― a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 7 August 2012 20:52 (twelve years ago) link
hey um can someone explain what whiney meant w/that post? even google doesn't come up with "manic pixie dream album"...there is some band called 1976 that had an album call manic pixie dream girl, then some articles about zooey deschnel?
i think tunnel of love is too much of a purposeful stylistic shift to be a new jersey
― Elrond Hubbard (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 7 August 2012 20:54 (twelve years ago) link
Tom Petty-Wildflowers
Several hits, but only one with true staying power. And She's The One was the follow-up.
― Jeremy Spencer Slid in Class Today (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 7 August 2012 20:57 (twelve years ago) link
hey um can someone explain what whiney meant w/that post?
I don't think anyone actually cares enough to decipher, tbh
― keeping things contextual (DJP), Tuesday, 7 August 2012 20:57 (twelve years ago) link
Wildflowers sounds like a perfect fit but it IS widely loved (even by Petty himself).
― a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 7 August 2012 20:58 (twelve years ago) link
Beastie Boys' To The 5 Boroughs?
― Ismael Klata, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 20:58 (twelve years ago) link
xpost: i just assumed he's making fun of people who like the pixies. so yay for him.
― alpine static, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 20:59 (twelve years ago) link
"manic pixie dream girl" is a movie character archetype, coined by whiney's wu tang/simpsons stan bizarro world av club equivalent nathan rabin, which people forever argue over the definition and appropriate examples of.
― some dude, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 21:00 (twelve years ago) link
I don't think there was any expectation that "Boroughs" would be huge by the time that came out.
― mr.raffles, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 21:00 (twelve years ago) link
lol xp
― reductio ad burzum (flopson), Tuesday, 7 August 2012 21:02 (twelve years ago) link
the only beasties that would even be close is Ill Communication, but i don't really think so
― Elrond Hubbard (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 7 August 2012 21:03 (twelve years ago) link
― some dude, Tuesday, August 7, 2012 4:00 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
ok so he doesn't like this thread or something?
― Elrond Hubbard (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 7 August 2012 21:04 (twelve years ago) link
apparently
― some dude, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 21:05 (twelve years ago) link
hey whiney sorry you don't like this thread also have you considered the possibility that you've disappeared up your own butt?
― Elrond Hubbard (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 7 August 2012 21:06 (twelve years ago) link
manic pixie dream ilx
― thomp, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 21:07 (twelve years ago) link
manic pixie dream journalism career
Is manic pixie dream really circling the drain?
― alpine static, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 21:09 (twelve years ago) link
Getting butthurt about a thread like this on a place like ILM is kind of a "New Jersey" if you think about it
― chr1sb3singer, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 21:09 (twelve years ago) link
or maybe a "Neither Fish Nor Flesh"
― mr.raffles, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 21:12 (twelve years ago) link
okay I was going to complain about everyone turning this into a thread about Whiney but ^^^ lol
― keeping things contextual (DJP), Tuesday, 7 August 2012 21:14 (twelve years ago) link