Lady Gaga - ARTPOP [2012]

and "turkey" isn't even necessarily the deal (808s sold fine)

it's just an album that survived mostly on zeitgeist and professionalism that in hindsight served as a stopgap before a major drop or left turn

i think of a band's New Jersey as their bigger but hollower victory lap album so def Graduation not 808s

― da croupier, Tuesday, August 7, 2012 9:54 AM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

"bigger" meaning bombast not necessarily sales

― da croupier, Tuesday, August 7, 2012 9:55 AM Bookmark

Graduation was way less bombastic than either of his first two albums tho.

dude Graduation was his big stadium rap move, "i want to write songs like u2" etc, it's all bombast!

ever notice how every ILM tread eventually comes around to talking about Kanye?

http://images.fastcompany.com/upload/andy-rooney-620-HATERS.jpg

Gaga's waning popularity...(?)

attributable to fur

macro proclamations on an artist's career based on one under-performing album are such a bad look

I figure if Katy Perry and Rihanna still haven't been yanked off the stage by a cane, Gaga has a few years left in her...

It's hard not to draw the Madonna comparisons in regard to that story. I remember at the time Madonna released the Sex book that the media tried to turn its back on her. And she was shunned for some time. Come to think of it, though, the general population's attitude toward her after that did permanently sour a bit. She was no longer given free rein of pop culture. And she fought hard to remain an icon through the 90s.

There do seem to be plenty of examples of pop artists losing their sheen because of one false move (or a successive series of small 'violations'), such as an underperforming album. I would agree with the author that the untouchable quality Gaga had a couple of years ago is gone, comparing this phase to the one MJ and Madonna experienced during the 90s. And I don't think it's just Furgate. Didn't it start with her drag performance at last year's VMAs? That was when I no longer believed in her invincibility as a pop persona.

One of the best - and most recent - examples of an artist overcoming this is Kanye. But being an annoying douchebag has been part of his persona for a while, and he rather brilliantly folds that into his lyrics to paint a fuller picture of who Kanye, the performer/celebrity, is. Madonna was rather successful at this as well (MJ and Prince, not so much). Another point the author makes that I probably agree with is that Gaga's musical output may not be unimpeachable enough for her to come out of this phase in one piece.

Sorry if this topic has been discussed to death (especially the Madonna comparisons); I just didn't have the time to read all of the Gaga threads.

wouldn't just sheer length of time be a factor? the sex/erotica period was actually madonna at her peak creatively, but she'd been at the forefront of popular culture for nearly a decade at that point, i guess there's always going to be an element of people getting bored or sick of someone always being there, along with their fans growing up and changing. it's still way way early in gaga's career by comparison.

and c'mon as tempting as all the madonna comparisons are, they don't mean she's going to follow madonna's career arc to the letter.

Did she even tour behind "Born This Way?"

she's STILL touring behind it, has been abroad for the last few months, and it was the 8th highest grossing tour of 2011

Huh. Well, she never toured the US behind it, did she? When I saw her last, she encored with "Born This Way," so the single was out, but she hasn't been back here since. I don't think?

this information is really easy to find out

The Born This Way Ball is the third concert tour by American recording artist Lady Gaga, in support of her second studio album Born This Way (2011). The tour will consist of approximately 110 shows in Asia, New Zealand, Australia, and later Europe in August 2012, followed by Latin America and South Africa towards the end of the year, and then North America beginning in January 2013.[1]

(the fame monster tour lasted pretty much up until the release of born this way in may 2011)

yeah i guess the last US dates were actually a few weeks before the album dropped, although multiple singles were out by then and the album had been pushed back a bit so i'd thought of those as in support of Born This Way. not touring the US at all after it dropped probably hurt the album's standing, too, but then she toured for like 2 and a half years straight for The Fame. (xpost)

The tour in 2011 was the Fame Monster Ball. The Born This Way Ball started in April 2012, which I think is why we haven't seen her as much recently. (x-post)

but then she toured for like 2 and a half years straight for The Fame.

when i went to the monster ball tour wikipedia page, scrolling down through the dates seemed to take about a week

girl works HARD

She does work hard. But for most purposes, then, no - she did not tour the US behind Born This Way. I imagine by January 2013 the hype machine will have shifted fully to the new album. I think that's kinda cool, actually. I liked the idea of artists so prolific their tours can't keep up with their output.

this sounds real

http://ohnotheydidnt.livejournal.com/72118191.html

damn that sounds like a smash

lady gaga trap ugh

cake like

I made it halfway.

yeah, about that

i think i approve

i'm only like 30% sure i have any idea what's going on tho

wow that's terrible

this sounds like it was made by a Real Housewife

otm, this shit sucks

Sounds like fucking around in the studio to me. Can't imagine this would be on the album.

cake. LIKE. lady. GAGA. cake. LIKE. lady. GAGA.

hahah this is pretty awesomely dopey y'all

yeah, basically

it's no worse than chief keef

burqa swag like lady gaga

psst hey guys don't tell anyone but i heard that apparently... donatella got them clothes

She is really accelerating through the Madonna career roadmap, huh

song sounds hot, at the very least it's going back to a hazy monster feel and tbh i don't hear much madonna in here

it's not that it's another "Born This Way"/"Express Yourself" situation, it's the whole "pop star does semi-embarrassing rap" thing a la "American Life"

ohh. well but gaga never shied away from embarrassing herself by rapping, and tbh i'd much much rather hear that than some more highway unicorn shit or whatever it was called

good kreayshawn leak

lmao

i'd much much rather hear that than some more highway unicorn shit or whatever it was called

There are reasonable limits to Born This Way hatred.

http://www.tetragrammatron.com/unicornturds.jpg

ew

Cocaine is a helluva drug.

jaykhsar

She held a contest for fans to write in their own original songs. This one was picked as the winner so she recorded it with him. It’s fan written, but it’s 100% her singing with him. It won’t be on ARTPOP.

#lady gaga #artpop #i fucking knew she wouldnt have wrote this