Jackin' House partisans, convince a skeptic

i often get the same sense listening to some of this music as i do listening to herbert's "let's all make mistakes" and whatnot

Well I don't think your mix has anything to do with "jackin house" within the meaning of this thread, unsurprisingly!

The thing with funky is - or was - less for me about socio-geographical borders than a certain kind of overriding logic of groove that might not be apparent on a track by track basis. Pulling, say, Champion or (at the absolute opposite end of the funky spectrum) DJ MA1's remix of "I'm Leaving" into orbit with techno and tech-house and dubstep and etc. makes even those tracks feel very different.

This is probably at least in part a result of the fact that funky could perhaps have been described as a certain perspective on house rather than a full-fledged individual genre. I guess that precariousness is maybe why I have always tried to insist on distinctions from a critical perspective; funky didn't have the obvious distinctiveness of uk garage, whereby if you dropped a 2-step tune into a different genre mix it usually still sounded like... a 2-step tune.

(so 'predigested fact-ulum' is in some cases a certain light or framing that may be there or may not be - although then of course some tracks/artists adopt that vibe irrevocably).

Importantly though, cutting across genre lines doesn't always = frankendance, it depends on the strength of the through-line constructed (Let's All Make Mistakes is a paramount example of this).

An article I wrote recently for Audimat was basically me trying to set out a theoretical apparatus for the above but it's in French :-/

right, so they just sound like particularly choppy or spacey broken beat or house tracks? i think a lot of sounds the way early "space disco" stuff like 90s idjuts, paper recordings, etc just sounds like tech house in that context (blending in w/ stuff like DiY)

personally i also think that's an argument for their strength

i like the idea of fact music as a framing thing ... are FACT and BASS the same or different as superwords i wonder ;-)

i should not post so fast

it reminds me of how early "space disco" tracks (90s idjuts, paper recordings, etc) just sounded like tech house at that time (blending in w/ stuff like DiY)

makes even those tracks feel very different

what's interesting to me is that as a sheltered listener that's pretty much how those tracks "feel" to me, it doesn't sound like an incongruous transition or trick to me anymore than playing blake baxter with derrick may or eon with moodymann

yeah that's kinda my point!

But have you heard many of the 'classic' funky sets?

no it's hard to know where to start w/ 1000 new posts and no handy clearance bin

I will attend to this.

Attention Vahid:

http://www.sendspace.com/file/293y3a

2008.11.26 - RinseFM - Marcus Nasty ft. Rankin, Riskgo, Coldsteps, JME, Frisco, Sharky P, Versatile

thanks tim :-)

i like jme a lot

have
you
even
heard
the 2x marcus nasty jackin mixes linked on the summer jams thread?

Yeah as per usual the best way by a mile to get into this stuff is through mixes.

no only the commercial rinse one which went over my head (ps you all said it was not so good?)

Do you mean his 2010 Rinse CD? That's uk funky not jackin' house.

I thought it was very good but the absence of MCs means it's not as amazing as his best radio sets from 2008 - 2011 era.

Marcus now plays some jackin' house sets which is what r|t|c is referring to.

Has Jack Daniels seen those graphics yet?

http://mashable.com/2012/07/22/jack-daniels-trademark-letter/

o i c

Are there any good Jackin mixes out there other than those two Marcus Nasty ones?

Just posted this to the favorite mixes thread: Superbad Bass Lounge #002 | A-level Results Mix | Mixed By: Nick Hannam

http://soundcloud.com/nick-hannam/hannam-superbad-mix

Tune!

Dene Antony - A Feeling (Joe Barnes Bootleg)

Okay how do I download this mix.

right click?

Excellent!

Is there an obvious way to create that link from the soundcloud page that I'm missing?

view source, a do a find for

streamUrl":"http://media.soundcloud.com/stream/

then copy and paste everything inside the double quotes starting with http://media.soundcloud.com/stream/

in this case that's http://media.soundcloud.com/stream/iMHd65pdtNPy?stream_token=ktNzd

― progressive cuts (Tracer Hand), Sunday, January 9, 2011 3:23 AM (1 year ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Cheers, thanks.

Hannah Wants - Mixtape 1012

http://soundcloud.com/hannah_wants/hannah-wants-mixtape-1012

i don't even know if that's proper "jackin" or what but i like it

Would love to see a Jackin' Refix of Carly Rae Jepsen's "Kiss"

...also there was an amazing snippet of a Jamie Oliver track ("Doin' Time") floating around on a random club vid posted on Dissensus. Pretty sure it snatched its vocals from a Sublime song.

I'm starting to like this stuff almost as much as I did Funky back in the early days.

http://www.mixcloud.com/OneLoveATX/onelove-thepromisedland2-livekarmalounge-may21st2011/

appears to be on here

curses i thought this was interzone, don't wanna be seen on this foul thread

You want this thread really.

From a recent Hannah Wants mix:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kjczK8Og2CU

there's a sequel/remix to that now which is even better and weirder... in true jackin style they called it "dorothy's armpit"

Must hear it, that track is amazing, darkside vibes. Chris Lorenzo is some kind of genius.

ya it's on one of the recent 2:31 rinse sets but i forget which unfortunately

22nd of May is Lorenzo and Shorterz, I'll try that.

wait got it now, 58:45 on 29th may

http://www.kissfmuk.com/hannahwants/2013/06/tracklist-010613/
http://radioplayer.kissfmuk.com/la807581/hannah-wants/

you know hannah wants has a weekly show on kiss btw?

"Evil" "Dangerous"

lol

Thanks for chasing that down. Amazing. I think I need to hear the rest of this show.

Yeah, I did she that she has a show. I'm going to try and catch her in London this month.

yeah the 2:31 shows are v good... not wild omg stuff the way jackin nuum hype (or the marcus nasty 2012 sets) implies but a true representation of how the midlands crew puts its spin on today's house n bass sphere. strictly speaking i don't see jackin as really existing any more tbh, at least not the way it did last year

think you'll find as you listen your question on the ukpopbass thread answers itself better than anyone could possibly tell you (within ten thousand words anyway)

I need to dig deeper and follow those guys more closely, but the midlands house sound, whatever you want to call it, has a druggier, ravier vibe than anything else in UK dance I've heard for a while. This show from the 29th has more echoey, stutter vision, deep house effects circa late 90s early 00s than anything on the pop thread (but also with Bassline inflections)

It is also clear that Hannah Wants has shifted into a slightly more "sophisticated" sound than what she was playing when I checked her mixes out last year. Kind of hope she doesn't go further down that path though. Her mixtape 0513 is pretty much perfect imo.

I love tunes like "Dorothy's Forest" and "Kneadin" that are basically these compulsive broken machine loops, like they take the name "jackin" way way way more seriously than everything else does.

are there any other threads like this?

What do you mean

Vocal on "Kneadin" reminds me of Omni Trio.

Also great, very late 90s prog-house to my ears...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BDPc-wFhmew

From the other thread, but this probably belongs here as well:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Qo_OI_4nJgk