RUSH vs. YES vs. THE GRATEFUL DEAD

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Meltzer on "Terrapin Station" - "Whole thing may seem a little excruciatingly over-melodious at first but once again the Dead (famous as hell in the past for their official acts of musical courage) have done it, journeyed into a genre that was there to be stripmined all along only nobody had the balls to tackle the project: kiddie swashbuckler soundtrack music!"

lol

that's like my standard judo-dis of tom waits

"Over-melodious"!

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/7/74/Richard_Meltzer.jpg

dude looks like he knows from swashbucklers.

Looking forward to seeing Yes tomorrow night, i've never seen them in concert.

Rush and it's not even close, though I do like Yes.

Yes's new album had at least one dece song on it: Into the Storm

Looking forward to seeing Yes tomorrow night, i've never seen them in concert.

No Jon Anderson, no Rick Wakeman, no cred. You're going to see something awfully close to Yes, but Squire and Howe alone do not bridge the gap, especially, when there are a couple of key members sitting it out by choice.

I like a ton of non-Wakeman Yes stuff (Yes album, Relayer). Plus didnt pay for the tix, so its no skin off my back, still looking forward to it

Yeah, I love Geoff Downes. The album last year was excellent.

Plus didnt pay for the tix

Key.

anyone in nyc going to see the grateful dead movie @ kips bay on wednesday?

That sounds fun. They're showing it here in Kentucky too. I'll be there with bells on...my shoes? Whatever. I also think that movie - problematic as it is - could potentially convert most Dead haters. I just wish it were all concert footage - the fan clips sorta bum me out. Although that one guy they keep showing right at the edge of the stage singing along and going bananas is classic all the way.

HOLY SHIT TALES FROM TOPOGRAPHIC OCEANS IS DIRE

i feel like i've been in a time warp, this is endless

man this could make ppl rethink their votes

even better, the new remaster/expanded edition adds two more 20 minute-ish tracks haha, i don't know if i can make it

I also think that movie - problematic as it is - could potentially convert most Dead haters.

It nearly had the opposite effect on me. I got into the Dead a year ago (after a solid two decades of completely despising everything they represented), and found my DCD (Dead Cutoff Date) via that film. The drop from Europe '72 (or anything from '72) was steep and rapid. I haven't been able to listen to anything post-'73.

especially, when there are a couple of key members sitting it out by choice.

iirc, Anderson had to pull out a few years ago due to illness. When he recovered, Yes basically said, "Oh, we got someone else. Thanks anyway, though." He's been trying to reach out to Squire and Howe ever since, only to be rebuffed.

They fucked him over, for sure, but that was because they were unwilling to postpone a tour until his health returned. I find it hard to believe that as the sole member other than Squire in every incarnation of Yes - and the singer, at that - that they couldn't find a way to make it work with him. I can only imagine at this point he won't agree to whatever onerous requirements they'd impose on him.

When he recovered, Yes basically said, "Oh, we got someone else. Thanks anyway, though."

Was he interested in rejoining the band at some point in 2009 or 2010 (i.e., pre-Fly from Here conception/recording/etc.)?

they were unwilling to postpone a tour until his health returned

He was out for quite some time if I am not mistaken.

And Yes was in just that much of a hurry to hack it out in theaters supporting new material, once Howe was done dicking around with shitty-ass Asia?

That should be supporting no new material.

I haven't been able to listen to anything post-'73.

agh man the 77 shows, come on

Asia is great. New single is outstanding.

Asia is ok, but SQUACKETT is where it's really

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tDXqwrWmhNA

Rush is gonna murder on this one.

voted dead

It nearly had the opposite effect on me. I got into the Dead a year ago (after a solid two decades of completely despising everything they represented), and found my DCD (Dead Cutoff Date) via that film. The drop from Europe '72 (or anything from '72) was steep and rapid. I haven't been able to listen to anything post-'73.

― Sun? Sun? It's your cousin, Marvin Ra (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Monday, July 30, 2012 4:34 PM (53 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Not to be THAT GUY, and maybe this is for another thread, but you are seriously missing out. 74 to 77 is way better than everything before and at least a little better than everything after. But shave off the first five and last five years of this band's existence and they're the greatest rock band of all time.

I love 72 - who doesn't? - but I think people overrate that entire European tour, tbh. Then again, I like jazzy / funky / heroin Dead a lot more than blues rave-up / LSD and good vibes Dead.

I got a friend who's always trying to sell me on '74 but I can never fully lock in. "Me & Bobby McGee" was in the set sometimes then & "Mexicali Blues" and they smoke those ones but 74 isn't as good as 72, 77 or really 68/9 imo

I think everyone on the fence should hear '75 - all FOUR shows - because all four are ridiculous, and 3/23 at Kezar is unlike any other Dead show you will ever hear. Also, One From the motherfuckin' Vault, yall. If the first twenty minutes of that shit - complete with Bill Graham intro - doesn't convert you, well then, shit, maybe you really don't like this band. My wife sure doesn't. She's immune to the Dead's, err, charms. I've tried everything.

yeah, reallllly enjoyed this 75 show http://doomandgloomfromthetomb.tumblr.com/post/26150888636/grateful-dead-winterland-arena-sf-ca-june-17

I've tried everything.

Have you tried telling her it is Rush, or maybe even playing her Rush first?

i'm listening to terrapin station right now

this is awful

Well, yeah, the studio version of that is terrible.

Absolutely not.

iirc, Anderson had to pull out a few years ago due to illness. When he recovered, Yes basically said, "Oh, we got someone else. Thanks anyway, though." He's been trying to reach out to Squire and Howe ever since, only to be rebuffed.

From everything I've ever heard Anderson is a dictatorial little twerp and everyone hated him, so the illness was a probably a good excuse for them to get rid of him.

In his defence,he did make this video once :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k2G1trha8Eg

By the way, you can hear the last note of "Terrapin" if you crank it up at the end of the fadeout.

But shave off the first five and last five years of this band's existence and they're the greatest rock band of all time.

haha, '68 is my favorite year. It's the year with the most feedback.

And aero, I'm sure I'll get to more '77 sooner or later; what I've heard I definitely prefer to '74 and some '73, but I can't grok Hart's stiffness.

I work for Rush's label and I voted Yes.

is there any indication that a member of yes has ever been in a fight? i know a few of those dead boys could scrap. and despite his peaceful demeanor, I'm sure that geddy lee has held his own in a fracas. but i just can't imagine what yes could bring to the table if they needed to defend themselves. feel free to prove me wrong. i don't see it, is all.

to be fair, I'm sure that mickey hart still gets "swirlied".

xp I remember a reference in The New Rolling Stone Record Guide to tensions between "uptight vegetarian Anderson" and "the relaxed, meat-eating Wakeman." Dunno if it ever came to fisticuffs.

I think I got to Rush at the wrong age, they're not in the running for me here. I listen to the first seven or eight Yes albums fairly often, partly because my wife is a fan, but also because I like those records. Occasionally I listen to the Dead, whom tiresome hippies have been playing for me since I was a tiny child. Voted for the Dead.

Nice twist there at the end.

Procol Harum is opening up for Yes tonight. I am wondering if they will need oxygen masks to get on stage. Anybody ever seen them?

is there any indication that a member of yes has ever been in a fight?

In Bruford's book he discussed his hatred of Chris Squire. Not sure if it ever came to blows. I think pro musicians like to stay away from anything where they might hurt their hands cuz that's what puts bread on the table. I cant think of many who would be very intimidating in hand to hand combat.

I can imagine Rick Wakeman throwing some drunken punches.

I think there was a concert back in the 70s where a fan grabbed Rick Wakeman's glittering cape and it made him very sad, don't know if came to blows though...

Procol Harum is opening up for Yes tonight.

Who the heck is in PH these days? (Goes to check their incredibly ugly website: http://www.procolharum.com/ ) Ahh, Brooker and a bunch of people I haven't heard of.) Still, if he can still sing, I think I would rather spend an evening with them than any of the three bands being polled.

One point that hasn't really been taken into consideration here is that Rush's run of albums from Permanent Waves through Power Windows is pretty much untouchable. There isn't really a single dud song on any of those 5 albums.